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Do you have some links to articles about this topic from the left? I typically hear this from the right and have yet to hear something from the left, and I'm cu

by hosh 3y ago

Do you have some links to articles about this topic from the left? I typically hear this from the right and have yet to hear something from the left, and I'm curious about how it's framed and understood.

majormajor 3y ago
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/01/30/whats-the-matter-with-men https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/01/30/whats-the-matt... Here's an example from earlier this year. The primary difference from the most common ways I hear about it from the right is the lack of a "one simple trick to fix it" prescription. It is more limited to a survey of some of the proposed causes and actions.
- flutas 3y ago
  For context, I wouldn't say I'm left or right, because both parties have good and bad things about them. That being said, the first thing I noticed with that link was the title. Why is it implying it's Men's fault? > What's the matter with Men? Imagine if on a similarly gendered topic, say abortion, someone published an article with the title "What's wrong with Women." Everyone would be up in arms over it.
  - jmye 3y ago
    I don’t think either of those titles imply fault. Similarly, if you saw Johnny or Suzy crying on the playground, you might ask, “what’s the matter?” That’s not implying they did something bad, it’s asking what hurt them or upset them, in a slightly colloquial way. I think jumping straight to “why are they implying this is men’s fault” is, ultimately, the perspective you’re already bringing to a very benign article title, and the fact you reacted immediately that way instead of assuming good intentions and reading a bit of the content is a reflection on how some folks have decided that “toxic masculinity”, for instance, is a vile attack on men instead of a descriptor for vile things perpetuated on men.
MarkMarine 3y ago
Chapo Trap House talks about it all the time. And that’s way more left than any of these ridiculous mainstream media publications Here is one: https://youtu.be/dxdlR_ESJFA?si=tGaUPLTzoh5oNQCh https://youtu.be/dxdlR_ESJFA?si=tGaUPLTzoh5oNQCh

by hosh 3y ago

majormajor 3y ago

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/01/30/whats-the-matter-with-men https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/01/30/whats-the-matt... Here's an example from earlier this year. The primary difference from the most common ways I hear about it from the right is the lack of a "one simple trick to fix it" prescription. It is more limited to a survey of some of the proposed causes and actions.

flutas 3y ago
For context, I wouldn't say I'm left or right, because both parties have good and bad things about them. That being said, the first thing I noticed with that link was the title. Why is it implying it's Men's fault? > What's the matter with Men? Imagine if on a similarly gendered topic, say abortion, someone published an article with the title "What's wrong with Women." Everyone would be up in arms over it.
- jmye 3y ago
  I don’t think either of those titles imply fault. Similarly, if you saw Johnny or Suzy crying on the playground, you might ask, “what’s the matter?” That’s not implying they did something bad, it’s asking what hurt them or upset them, in a slightly colloquial way. I think jumping straight to “why are they implying this is men’s fault” is, ultimately, the perspective you’re already bringing to a very benign article title, and the fact you reacted immediately that way instead of assuming good intentions and reading a bit of the content is a reflection on how some folks have decided that “toxic masculinity”, for instance, is a vile attack on men instead of a descriptor for vile things perpetuated on men.

MarkMarine 3y ago

Chapo Trap House talks about it all the time. And that’s way more left than any of these ridiculous mainstream media publications Here is one: https://youtu.be/dxdlR_ESJFA?si=tGaUPLTzoh5oNQCh https://youtu.be/dxdlR_ESJFA?si=tGaUPLTzoh5oNQCh