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If anything, Linux should be called Linux/systemd rather than GNU/Linux. I’d be happy with a Linux entirely without GNU. I don’t see how a bunch of included G
by andrewstuart 3y ago
If anything, Linux should be called Linux/systemd rather than GNU/Linux.
I’d be happy with a Linux entirely without GNU. I don’t see how a bunch of included GNU utilities gives it naming rights.
On the other hand, systemd in many ways really defines how the operating system works, making it worthy of inclusion in the name, unlike GNU.
- hparadiz 3y agoUh.... no. Posted from a Linux/OpenRC system.
- xena 3y agoTake a look at Chimera Linux: https://chimera-linux.org/ https://chimera-linux.org/
- cpach 3y agoInteresting point! However, I rarely see people write “GNU/Linux” these days, at least in the parts of Internet where I hang out. (And there’s quite a lot of FOSS/Linux folks in those parts.)
- znpy 3y agoSystemd is gpl-licensed, so it’s somewhat part of the gnu in gnu/linux
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoLinux itself is GPLv2, but neither it nor systemd are GNU projects
- frou_dh 3y agoNow that's what we call gratitude on GNU's 40th birthday!
- masklinn 3y ago> I don’t see how a bunch of included GNU utilities gives it naming rights. On early-ish Linux, gnu projects provided basically the entire userland, and since it was also the compiler and the libc, that was the foundation to the entire system.
- andrewstuart 3y agoThe days of GNU significant relevance have passed haven’t they? There’s so many incarnations of Linux that surely GNU is relevant in only a small number of cases?
- fragmede 3y agoThe ship is still Theseus'
- bananapub 3y ago> The days of GNU significant relevance have passed haven’t they? why on earth are you suggesting a thing is true that you've not looked into? > There’s so many incarnations of Linux that surely GNU is relevant in only a small number of cases? essentially all Linux systems aside from Alpine and Android use glibc and a GNU userland, and GCC is still the dominant compiler. I guess this is just very low-effort trolling?
- parl_match 3y ago> essentially all Linux systems aside from Alpine and Android use glibc and a GNU userland, and GCC is still the dominant compiler. when you're handwaving 3.6 BILLION devices away, maybe your case isn't as strong as you think :)
- Spivak 3y agoBecause no one counts Android as a Linux distro, and they shouldn't. They couldn't be more oil and water from the rest of the Linux ecosystem. The term would instantly become meaningless. When people talk about alternative to glibc it's meant to be other software that lets you run applications targeting libc.
- parl_match 3y agoAgain, hand-waving. When the question is "how accurate is it to refer to Linux systems as GNU/Linux", and 3.6 billion devices run Android, and probably as many TVs, home internet devices (modems, wifi, etc), don't ship with the GNU userspace, then the answer very well might be "not accurate at all". In fact, at this point, I would be surprised to learn that there are more Linux based computers running GNU userspace than not running GNU userspace. In my house, off the top of my head, I can count 7(!) devices that I know for a fact use Linux and don't have the GNU userspace, three that I'm unsure of, and two that do. And, you probably also have more Linux devices in your household not running GNU userspace, than those that do. As for the compiler? That's a valid point, but I don't think that earns you naming rights :) We don't call it Windows/Visual Studio 11 or macos/clang.
- m463 3y agoDon't know why we call the language English in the united states. We've been independent over 200 years, can't we just say we speak American? :)