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Thoughts: - ChatGPT integration is absolutely huge (ChatGPT Plus and enterprise integrations coming in October). This may severely thwart Midjourney and a whol

Thoughts: - ChatGPT integration is absolutely huge (ChatGPT Plus and enterprise integrations coming in October). This may severely thwart Midjourney and a whole bunch other text-to-image SaaS companies, leaving them only available to focus on NSFW use cases. - Quality looks comparable to Midjourney - but Midjourney has other useful features like upscaling, creating multiple variations, etc. Will DallE3 keep up, UX wise? - I absolutely prefer ChatGPT over Discord as the UI, so UI-wise I prefer this.

brianjking 3y ago
Dall-e 2 had variations, inpainting, etc well before Midjourney. However, I 100% agree that it's going to be interesting to see who and what wins this race.
- rvz 3y ago
  Stability AI with Stable Diffusion is already at the finish line in this race, by being $0, open source and not being exclusively a cloud-based AI model and can be used offline. Anything else that is 'open source' AI and allows on-device AI systems eventually brings the cost to $0.
  - junipertea 3y ago
    unless it's way worse
    - shmoogy 3y ago
      SDXL and older models are quite good. It's not yet very user friendly but will get there.
  - Karunamon 3y ago
    That's a different race entirely; most people don't even have the hardware, let alone the knowledge to run SD.
  - chankstein38 3y ago
    I agree. I am barely excited for DALL-E 3 because I know it's going to be run by OpenAI who have repeatedly made me dislike them more and more over the last year plus. My thoughts are: "Cool. Another closed system like MidJourney. Chat integration would be cool but it's still going to likely be crazy expensive per image versus infinite possibilities with Stable Diffusion." Especially with DALL-E. Honestly I'd be more excited if MidJourney released something new. DALL-E was the first but, in my experience, the lower-quality option. It felt like a toy, MidJourney felt like a top-tier product akin to Photoshop Express on mobile, still limited but amazing results every time, and Stable Diffusion feels like photoshop allowing endless possibilities locally without restrictions except it's FREE!
    - ramraj07 3y ago
      They all have their place. OpenAI literally started every major AI revolution including image gen with DALL-E. Let them be the peleton while SD and others follow closely and overtake eventually.
      - chankstein38 3y ago
        I like painting them as the peleton! You're not wrong it's just not super exciting for me
        MrBra 3y ago
        What's a peleton? Genuine question from a non native English speaker.
        xaphod 3y ago
        I think they mean peloton. It's not English, I believe it is French, meaning a group of bicyclers. In this context it refers to the peloton leading the race.+-
    - genewitch 3y ago
      there has a to be a way to link the API from automatic1111 and a "gpt" or "bert" model, to allow similar flexibility, right? The only issue i see is training the llm on the rules of image composition correlated to what CLIP/Deepbooru sees. maybe there will be a leak, or someone can convince one of the "AI Art example/display" sites to give them a dump of images with all metadata. enough of that and this sort of thing seems like a "gimme". I just started training LoRA, and the lack of definitive information is a burden; but following the commonalities in all of the guides i was able to get a LoRA to model a person i know, extremely accurately, about 1/8th of the time. in my experience, getting a "5 star" image 12% of the time is outstanding. And when i say 1/8th i mean i ran off 100 images, and hand ranked the ones that actually used the LoRA correctly, and 4 and 5 star ranks were 21/100 - i just double checked my numbers!
jonplackett 3y ago
What I think could be amazing about ChatGPT integration is (holding my breath…) the ability to iterate and tweak images until they’re right, like you can with text with ChatGPT. Currently with Midjourney/SD you sometimes get an amazing image, sometimes not. It feels like a casino. SD you can mask and try again but it’s fiddly and time consuming. But if you could say ‘that image is great but I wanted there to be just one monkey, and can you make the sky green’ and have it take the original image modify it. Then that is a frikkin game changer and everyone else is dust. This _probably_ isn’t the way it’s going to work. But I hope it is!
- nextworddev 3y ago
  Exactly - iterative "chat-driven" improvement of images will be a paradigm shift
- gsuuon 3y ago
  That looks exactly like what was in the video (though the video seems to be down?)
  - jonplackett 3y ago
    Didn’t see a video! OK I am pretty excited now. So long as it actually can create an image virtually the same but changed only how I want it. That would just blow everything else away. I mean I guess it’s. Or that ridiculous. Generative fill in photoshop is kind of this, but the ability to understand from a text prompt what I want to ‘mask’ - if that’s even how it would work - would be very clever
    - epiccoleman 3y ago
      You can _kind_ of do this now, but it's excessively manual. I agreed that it would be awesome to have the AI figure out what you mean to iterate on a given image. I recently had a somewhat frustrating experience of having a generated foreground thing and a generated background that were both independently awesome - and trying to wheedle Stable Diffusion into combining them the way I wanted was possible, but took a lot of manual labor, and the results were "just ok".
taytus 3y ago
I don't see it. I use chatgpt to create prompts for midjourney. It takes me a couple of clicks only. I don't see the massive difference. Specially since midjourney is much much better than DallE
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danbala 3y ago
To be fair, nsfw is a considerable market, which itself is plenty big enough for hold many many businesses. llm trained on literotica, anyone?
- josephg 3y ago
  > llm trained on literotica, anyone? I'm not going to post links, but there are several active projects & companies already doing that.
cubefox 3y ago
> ChatGPT integration is absolutely huge Probably not. Bing Chat (which uses GPT-4 internally) already has integration of Bing Image Creator (which uses Dall-E ~2.5 internally), and it isn't good. It just writes image prompts for you, when you could simply write them yourself. It's a useless game of telephone.

brianjking 3y ago

Dall-e 2 had variations, inpainting, etc well before Midjourney. However, I 100% agree that it's going to be interesting to see who and what wins this race.

rvz 3y ago
Stability AI with Stable Diffusion is already at the finish line in this race, by being $0, open source and not being exclusively a cloud-based AI model and can be used offline. Anything else that is 'open source' AI and allows on-device AI systems eventually brings the cost to $0.
- junipertea 3y ago
  unless it's way worse
  - shmoogy 3y ago
    SDXL and older models are quite good. It's not yet very user friendly but will get there.
- Karunamon 3y ago
  That's a different race entirely; most people don't even have the hardware, let alone the knowledge to run SD.
- chankstein38 3y ago
  I agree. I am barely excited for DALL-E 3 because I know it's going to be run by OpenAI who have repeatedly made me dislike them more and more over the last year plus. My thoughts are: "Cool. Another closed system like MidJourney. Chat integration would be cool but it's still going to likely be crazy expensive per image versus infinite possibilities with Stable Diffusion." Especially with DALL-E. Honestly I'd be more excited if MidJourney released something new. DALL-E was the first but, in my experience, the lower-quality option. It felt like a toy, MidJourney felt like a top-tier product akin to Photoshop Express on mobile, still limited but amazing results every time, and Stable Diffusion feels like photoshop allowing endless possibilities locally without restrictions except it's FREE!
  - ramraj07 3y ago
    They all have their place. OpenAI literally started every major AI revolution including image gen with DALL-E. Let them be the peleton while SD and others follow closely and overtake eventually.
    - chankstein38 3y ago
      I like painting them as the peleton! You're not wrong it's just not super exciting for me
      - MrBra 3y ago
        What's a peleton? Genuine question from a non native English speaker.
        xaphod 3y ago
        I think they mean peloton. It's not English, I believe it is French, meaning a group of bicyclers. In this context it refers to the peloton leading the race.+-
  - genewitch 3y ago
    there has a to be a way to link the API from automatic1111 and a "gpt" or "bert" model, to allow similar flexibility, right? The only issue i see is training the llm on the rules of image composition correlated to what CLIP/Deepbooru sees. maybe there will be a leak, or someone can convince one of the "AI Art example/display" sites to give them a dump of images with all metadata. enough of that and this sort of thing seems like a "gimme". I just started training LoRA, and the lack of definitive information is a burden; but following the commonalities in all of the guides i was able to get a LoRA to model a person i know, extremely accurately, about 1/8th of the time. in my experience, getting a "5 star" image 12% of the time is outstanding. And when i say 1/8th i mean i ran off 100 images, and hand ranked the ones that actually used the LoRA correctly, and 4 and 5 star ranks were 21/100 - i just double checked my numbers!

jonplackett 3y ago

What I think could be amazing about ChatGPT integration is (holding my breath…) the ability to iterate and tweak images until they’re right, like you can with text with ChatGPT. Currently with Midjourney/SD you sometimes get an amazing image, sometimes not. It feels like a casino. SD you can mask and try again but it’s fiddly and time consuming. But if you could say ‘that image is great but I wanted there to be just one monkey, and can you make the sky green’ and have it take the original image modify it. Then that is a frikkin game changer and everyone else is dust. This _probably_ isn’t the way it’s going to work. But I hope it is!

nextworddev 3y ago
Exactly - iterative "chat-driven" improvement of images will be a paradigm shift
gsuuon 3y ago
That looks exactly like what was in the video (though the video seems to be down?)
- jonplackett 3y ago
  Didn’t see a video! OK I am pretty excited now. So long as it actually can create an image virtually the same but changed only how I want it. That would just blow everything else away. I mean I guess it’s. Or that ridiculous. Generative fill in photoshop is kind of this, but the ability to understand from a text prompt what I want to ‘mask’ - if that’s even how it would work - would be very clever
  - epiccoleman 3y ago
    You can _kind_ of do this now, but it's excessively manual. I agreed that it would be awesome to have the AI figure out what you mean to iterate on a given image. I recently had a somewhat frustrating experience of having a generated foreground thing and a generated background that were both independently awesome - and trying to wheedle Stable Diffusion into combining them the way I wanted was possible, but took a lot of manual labor, and the results were "just ok".

taytus 3y ago

I don't see it. I use chatgpt to create prompts for midjourney. It takes me a couple of clicks only. I don't see the massive difference. Specially since midjourney is much much better than DallE

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danbala 3y ago

To be fair, nsfw is a considerable market, which itself is plenty big enough for hold many many businesses. llm trained on literotica, anyone?

josephg 3y ago
> llm trained on literotica, anyone? I'm not going to post links, but there are several active projects & companies already doing that.

cubefox 3y ago

> ChatGPT integration is absolutely huge Probably not. Bing Chat (which uses GPT-4 internally) already has integration of Bing Image Creator (which uses Dall-E ~2.5 internally), and it isn't good. It just writes image prompts for you, when you could simply write them yourself. It's a useless game of telephone.