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React Sees a dip in NPM downloads this week

12 points by srbhr 3y ago

srbhr 3y ago
Popular frontend framework react sees a dip in NPM downloads. And I just saw someone asking if Svelte is a good scalable frontend framework option. I think, people are moving towards newer frameworks more and more. Also, we had Bun 1.0 release coming up. I don't know what is going on. Any thoughts?
srbhr 3y ago
Okay another update: https://www.npmjs.com/package/express https://www.npmjs.com/package/express Express is also down. Can anyone explain what's going on? Are people really moving to Astro, Bun, Svelte? Or NPM is behaving weirdly?
- MentallyRetired 3y ago
  Hooky is also down. It may just be a bug in npm's reporting or a system down somewhere.
  - srbhr 3y ago
    Okay thanks for letting me know. I had assumed that now people are trying newer alternatives. What's your take on trying something to and using them in production?
- bdcravens 3y ago
  Astro shows the same decline. Likely an NPM reporting bug, some big infrastructure caching, or similar.
  - srbhr 3y ago
    Okay. Thanks
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Fishman343 3y ago
Everything seems to be 'dipping' including bootstrap and others. Seems like an npm glitch?
aslilac 3y ago
homie, this is just what these graphs look like in general. chill. go click on any package with substantial downloads. svelte is the same way, the downtick is just less visible because of a weirdly massive spike in their downloads.
NikxDa 3y ago
I noticed the same for Nest.js yesterday. I think NPM might have changed the way the calculate their stats (maybe excluding automated installs or similar)? Or it might just be a glitch. I'm sure somebody will know details and clarify.
drpossum 3y ago
Well, that confirms it, javascript and front end development is dead. I'll start looking for a new job.
Freedom2 3y ago
I think that more and more people are moving towards the good old days of PHP and server-rendered HTML. The smartest devs, believe me, have already started or finished their migration across, and the benefits are immeasurable.
thunderbong 3y ago
From this reddit thread [0] - > Most likely better bot protection, almost all of npm is currently scrapped to teach ai bots coding [0]: https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/16mna5z/whats_going_on_in_the_last_week_that_has_caused_a/k195ovg/ https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/16mna5z/whats_...
- srbhr 3y ago
  Yes might be that they're trying something like this.
latchkey 3y ago
Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37535142 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37535142
pan69 3y ago
Most of these "downloads" aren't actual downloads anyway, they just build pipelines doing `npm install`.
franky47 3y ago
The API for downloads stats across the whole registry show zero for a few days: https://api.npmjs.org/downloads/range/2023-09-10:2023-09-21/ https://api.npmjs.org/downloads/range/2023-09-10:2023-09-21/ I wrote to NPM support on 2023-09-15 when it got temporarily fixed over the weekend, then crashed again earlier this week. Their response: > Yes, we also see the zero download count on different packages. This issue remains under investigation. We will let you know once we have an update. Not much of an answer..

12 points by srbhr 3y ago

Popular frontend framework react sees a dip in NPM downloads. And I just saw someone asking if Svelte is a good scalable frontend framework option. I think, people are moving towards newer frameworks more and more. Also, we had Bun 1.0 release coming up. I don't know what is going on. Any thoughts?

srbhr 3y ago

Okay another update: https://www.npmjs.com/package/express https://www.npmjs.com/package/express Express is also down. Can anyone explain what's going on? Are people really moving to Astro, Bun, Svelte? Or NPM is behaving weirdly?

MentallyRetired 3y ago
Hooky is also down. It may just be a bug in npm's reporting or a system down somewhere.
- srbhr 3y ago
  Okay thanks for letting me know. I had assumed that now people are trying newer alternatives. What's your take on trying something to and using them in production?
bdcravens 3y ago
Astro shows the same decline. Likely an NPM reporting bug, some big infrastructure caching, or similar.
- srbhr 3y ago
  Okay. Thanks

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Fishman343 3y ago

Everything seems to be 'dipping' including bootstrap and others. Seems like an npm glitch?

aslilac 3y ago

homie, this is just what these graphs look like in general. chill. go click on any package with substantial downloads. svelte is the same way, the downtick is just less visible because of a weirdly massive spike in their downloads.

NikxDa 3y ago

I noticed the same for Nest.js yesterday. I think NPM might have changed the way the calculate their stats (maybe excluding automated installs or similar)? Or it might just be a glitch. I'm sure somebody will know details and clarify.

drpossum 3y ago

Well, that confirms it, javascript and front end development is dead. I'll start looking for a new job.

Freedom2 3y ago

I think that more and more people are moving towards the good old days of PHP and server-rendered HTML. The smartest devs, believe me, have already started or finished their migration across, and the benefits are immeasurable.

thunderbong 3y ago

From this reddit thread [0] - > Most likely better bot protection, almost all of npm is currently scrapped to teach ai bots coding [0]: https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/16mna5z/whats_going_on_in_the_last_week_that_has_caused_a/k195ovg/ https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/16mna5z/whats_...

srbhr 3y ago
Yes might be that they're trying something like this.

latchkey 3y ago

Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37535142 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37535142

pan69 3y ago

Most of these "downloads" aren't actual downloads anyway, they just build pipelines doing `npm install`.

franky47 3y ago

The API for downloads stats across the whole registry show zero for a few days: https://api.npmjs.org/downloads/range/2023-09-10:2023-09-21/ https://api.npmjs.org/downloads/range/2023-09-10:2023-09-21/ I wrote to NPM support on 2023-09-15 when it got temporarily fixed over the weekend, then crashed again earlier this week. Their response: > Yes, we also see the zero download count on different packages. This issue remains under investigation. We will let you know once we have an update. Not much of an answer..