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But there is no biological reason people in the north eastern United States should be able eat fresh oranges and pineapples in December. That is not natural. It

But there is no biological reason people in the north eastern United States should be able eat fresh oranges and pineapples in December. That is not natural. It is because of financial incentives that it is possible, and it also creates a lot of waste as a byproduct.

sokoloff 3y ago
There's no thermodynamic reason that my house (in the north east US) should be 68°F/20°C in December either. It's not natural, is because of financial incentives that it's possible, and creates a lot of waste as a by-product.
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  Yes, that is my point.
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    Do only people in capitalist economic systems have heat in their homes in the winter? If so, is that really a scathing indictment of capitalism?
    - Eisenstein 3y ago
      Who is indicting capitalism? Does pointing out cause and effect make an attack?
ch4s3 3y ago
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- Eisenstein 3y ago
  I don't think you understand what I am saying. I am responding to the use of the word 'biology' in the parent post.
Goronmon 3y ago
But there is no biological reason people in the north eastern United States should be able eat fresh oranges and pineapples in December. If the goal is to be pedantic, then technically the "biological reason" is that nature gave humans the ability to alter their environment in ways that allows the north eastern United States to eat fresh oranges and pineapples in December.
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  If you go down the road of 'ultimate cause and effect' and 'what is a thing really' then you end up debating whether hot dogs are sandwiches.
tomjakubowski 3y ago
Yes there's a biological reason that should be true. Just as there is a biological reason people migrated to live in places like where pineapples grow and the northeastern United States.
tick_tock_tick 3y ago
But those same financial incentives are why people aren't staving all over the place. Every attempt to move too far from capitalism just results in mass starvation.

sokoloff 3y ago

There's no thermodynamic reason that my house (in the north east US) should be 68°F/20°C in December either. It's not natural, is because of financial incentives that it's possible, and creates a lot of waste as a by-product.

Eisenstein 3y ago
Yes, that is my point.
- sokoloff 3y ago
  Do only people in capitalist economic systems have heat in their homes in the winter? If so, is that really a scathing indictment of capitalism?
  - Eisenstein 3y ago
    Who is indicting capitalism? Does pointing out cause and effect make an attack?

ch4s3 3y ago

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Eisenstein 3y ago
I don't think you understand what I am saying. I am responding to the use of the word 'biology' in the parent post.

Goronmon 3y ago

But there is no biological reason people in the north eastern United States should be able eat fresh oranges and pineapples in December. If the goal is to be pedantic, then technically the "biological reason" is that nature gave humans the ability to alter their environment in ways that allows the north eastern United States to eat fresh oranges and pineapples in December.

Eisenstein 3y ago
If you go down the road of 'ultimate cause and effect' and 'what is a thing really' then you end up debating whether hot dogs are sandwiches.

tomjakubowski 3y ago

Yes there's a biological reason that should be true. Just as there is a biological reason people migrated to live in places like where pineapples grow and the northeastern United States.

tick_tock_tick 3y ago

But those same financial incentives are why people aren't staving all over the place. Every attempt to move too far from capitalism just results in mass starvation.