> But all that is part of programming. It's not made harder than it needs to be, it is that hard. Because exploring the whole problem space with the stakeholder

> But all that is part of programming. It's not made harder than it needs to be, it is that hard. Because exploring the whole problem space with the stakeholders and deciding together what the software should do is a central part of the problem of programming. strongly agree, but I've found a lot of developers want to make a 6-figure salary and not have to do that part. Furthermore, often times the stakeholders themselves don't have a concrete idea of what they want, it's nebulous in their head because they've identified a problem and a general direction and are relying on conversations with the technical team to help nail down the details. That back and forth is the meat and potatoes of software development and its what separates senior from junior.