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Glad I'm dealing with a sensible interlocutor here. I was not calling you a weirdo or logic pedant actually, I was referring to people who have a hard time und

Glad I'm dealing with a sensible interlocutor here. I was not calling you a weirdo or logic pedant actually, I was referring to people who have a hard time understanding why we have already curtailed freedom of speech in similar areas, such as making it illegal to produce or distribute or view CSAM. Clear "violation" of free speech, yet we seem to be just fine having done it. If you also struggle with that concept due to "we could become China" then yeah, you're a weirdo and/or pedant, but I don't think you've made that argument. Rather my position is that you likely do see why we've made it illegal to produce/distribute/view CSAM, and the same logic powering that position can inform a position here. And yes I agree that this deserves genuine discussion, which is why I've been laying out my arguments for it and drawing analogies to existing protections we already have which already curtail freedom of speech, as a response to your "we could become China" refrain.

corethree 3y ago
Csam laws make sense of course. But there are fuzzy boundaries here too. If your 18 and you have sex with a 17 year old. That can be classified as rape. Not sure the age of csam, but a 17 year old would enter this boundary. It doesn't make sense that it's illegal at 17 and suddenly legal at 18. I think this is a necessary downside to a necessary law. But the thing with AI generated art is that the boundaries are too fuzzy. You will get worse consequences then just the fuzziness of the 17 and 18 year old boundary. And those consequences are farther reaching. What you're not seeing is that csam despite it's necessity means we are already traveling down that path of "China." You are already using that law and laws related to argue for more laws. Draw the trend line. Personally I think censoring AI generated art could represent a sort of tipping point where everything changed.

corethree 3y ago

Csam laws make sense of course. But there are fuzzy boundaries here too. If your 18 and you have sex with a 17 year old. That can be classified as rape. Not sure the age of csam, but a 17 year old would enter this boundary. It doesn't make sense that it's illegal at 17 and suddenly legal at 18. I think this is a necessary downside to a necessary law. But the thing with AI generated art is that the boundaries are too fuzzy. You will get worse consequences then just the fuzziness of the 17 and 18 year old boundary. And those consequences are farther reaching. What you're not seeing is that csam despite it's necessity means we are already traveling down that path of "China." You are already using that law and laws related to argue for more laws. Draw the trend line. Personally I think censoring AI generated art could represent a sort of tipping point where everything changed.