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This sounds uncomfortably like a call for more of the consolidation and industrialisation of farming, in the name of efficiency, that has been devastating to ou

by jfk13 3y ago

This sounds uncomfortably like a call for more of the consolidation and industrialisation of farming, in the name of efficiency, that has been devastating to our environment.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> that has been devastating to our environment Nothing inherent to economies of scale is devastating our environment. Companion planting, soil stewardship and water management each benefit from scale.
- rikketikm 3y ago
  If they are applied, yes.
- actionfromafar 3y ago
  True. It’s just that so far in agriculture, economies of scale have been let loose without much governing for ecology.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > so far in agriculture, economies of scale have been let loose without much governing for ecology Sure. But scale isn't the problem. (Focussing on its is counterproductive. Amidst falling efficiency, no population will choose long-term ecological impact over short-term food availability.) Solve the problem directly: incentivize land owners to steward their land. Regulate where needed. Improve agricultural education.
- Timshel 3y ago
  Nothing is quite optimistic, issues such as are linked to scale (Just 5min of some random though) : - http://encyclopedia.uia.org/en/problem/destruction-hedges-and-hedgerow-trees http://encyclopedia.uia.org/en/problem/destruction-hedges-an... - https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/encyclopedia/soil-erosion-agricultural-production-challenge https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/encyclopedia/soil-erosio... - https://sentientmedia.org/how-does-agriculture-cause-deforestation/ https://sentientmedia.org/how-does-agriculture-cause-defores... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_pig_farming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_pig_fa... - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/11/global-salmon-farming-harming-marine-life-and-costing-billions-in-damage https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/11/global-s... Edit: and if you think not just on the ecological side. The core benefice of scale is to produce more while requiring less people. Which mean lower density of people which has so many societal impacts ...

by jfk13 3y ago

This sounds uncomfortably like a call for more of the consolidation and industrialisation of farming, in the name of efficiency, that has been devastating to our environment.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> that has been devastating to our environment Nothing inherent to economies of scale is devastating our environment. Companion planting, soil stewardship and water management each benefit from scale.

rikketikm 3y ago
If they are applied, yes.
actionfromafar 3y ago
True. It’s just that so far in agriculture, economies of scale have been let loose without much governing for ecology.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > so far in agriculture, economies of scale have been let loose without much governing for ecology Sure. But scale isn't the problem. (Focussing on its is counterproductive. Amidst falling efficiency, no population will choose long-term ecological impact over short-term food availability.) Solve the problem directly: incentivize land owners to steward their land. Regulate where needed. Improve agricultural education.
Timshel 3y ago
Nothing is quite optimistic, issues such as are linked to scale (Just 5min of some random though) : - http://encyclopedia.uia.org/en/problem/destruction-hedges-and-hedgerow-trees http://encyclopedia.uia.org/en/problem/destruction-hedges-an... - https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/encyclopedia/soil-erosion-agricultural-production-challenge https://crops.extension.iastate.edu/encyclopedia/soil-erosio... - https://sentientmedia.org/how-does-agriculture-cause-deforestation/ https://sentientmedia.org/how-does-agriculture-cause-defores... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_pig_farming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_pig_fa... - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/11/global-salmon-farming-harming-marine-life-and-costing-billions-in-damage https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/11/global-s... Edit: and if you think not just on the ecological side. The core benefice of scale is to produce more while requiring less people. Which mean lower density of people which has so many societal impacts ...