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I have no right to enter a Walmart store, or any store. Private businesses can refuse service to anyone. They can make rules up, like I must wear shirt and shoe

I have no right to enter a Walmart store, or any store. Private businesses can refuse service to anyone. They can make rules up, like I must wear shirt and shoes. Some restaurants refuse service if I don’t wear a jacket and tie. Aside from discriminating against protected minorities and ADA violations, businesses have considerable leeway when it comes to whom they choose to serve, or not. Look at how Elon Musk arbitrarily treats people he doesn’t like, or who criticize him, on Twitter. He’s probably not breaking any laws. He owns the platform, he gets to make the rules. No one has to use it, and no one has a right to use it. Reality may not match how you or I would like the world to work, or what we think of as fair.

fragmede 3y ago
Individually, sure, but try and see what happens if your restaurant puts up a sign that says "No Blacks Allowed".
- gregjor 3y ago
  Protected minority, covered by civil rights law. You must know the difference. People accused of sexual assault and rape do not comprise a protected minority. Internet celebrities happy to make money from advertising and pushing boundaries until they get caught or go too far do not comprise a protected minority. YouTube did not ban all Brits, or all comedians, or all white men with long hair. They demonetized one person. There's no sign out front that says "No White British Comedians With Long Hair." Russell Brand is not a victim. He doesn't have any right to get money from advertisers on a platform he chooses to publish on. That is hardly comparable to a restaurant excluding people based on their skin color.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    Point is, Walmart, a private company, does have restrictions on what it can and can't do, like who they allow in their stores, so it's not as black and white as private business = absolute rule over interior of the building.
    - gregjor 3y ago
      I didn't say Walmart can do whatever they want to their customers, for any reason they dream up. I said that I have no right to enter a Walmart store. No one does. As a company incorporated in the United States, Walmart has to abide by lots of laws, including laws that prohibit racial discrimination. That does not equate to anyone having a right to enter their stores. It means Walmart can't exclude people solely on the basis of race. They can refuse to let me in for any number of reasons, or no reason, but if they tell me it's because of my skin color or disability they have broken the law. Every night when Walmart closes they refuse entry to everyone, for an obvious reason, imposed fairly on everyone, and none of us has a right to enter the store. Suppose I roll up in a wheelchair as they're locking the doors at night, and they won't let me in because the store is closed. They made up that closing time, no law tells them when to close. If I sue Walmart claiming they denied me entry because I have a disability, they will rightfully say I was denied entry because the store was closed to everyone. I think you can see how that plays out. That's the difference between not having any right to enter the store and having the right not to suffer discrimination as a protected minority. And when the dust settles and I lose in court, Walmart can bar me from their stores if they want to because I sued them. But not because I have a disability.

fragmede 3y ago

Individually, sure, but try and see what happens if your restaurant puts up a sign that says "No Blacks Allowed".

gregjor 3y ago
Protected minority, covered by civil rights law. You must know the difference. People accused of sexual assault and rape do not comprise a protected minority. Internet celebrities happy to make money from advertising and pushing boundaries until they get caught or go too far do not comprise a protected minority. YouTube did not ban all Brits, or all comedians, or all white men with long hair. They demonetized one person. There's no sign out front that says "No White British Comedians With Long Hair." Russell Brand is not a victim. He doesn't have any right to get money from advertisers on a platform he chooses to publish on. That is hardly comparable to a restaurant excluding people based on their skin color.
- fragmede 3y ago
  Point is, Walmart, a private company, does have restrictions on what it can and can't do, like who they allow in their stores, so it's not as black and white as private business = absolute rule over interior of the building.
  - gregjor 3y ago
    I didn't say Walmart can do whatever they want to their customers, for any reason they dream up. I said that I have no right to enter a Walmart store. No one does. As a company incorporated in the United States, Walmart has to abide by lots of laws, including laws that prohibit racial discrimination. That does not equate to anyone having a right to enter their stores. It means Walmart can't exclude people solely on the basis of race. They can refuse to let me in for any number of reasons, or no reason, but if they tell me it's because of my skin color or disability they have broken the law. Every night when Walmart closes they refuse entry to everyone, for an obvious reason, imposed fairly on everyone, and none of us has a right to enter the store. Suppose I roll up in a wheelchair as they're locking the doors at night, and they won't let me in because the store is closed. They made up that closing time, no law tells them when to close. If I sue Walmart claiming they denied me entry because I have a disability, they will rightfully say I was denied entry because the store was closed to everyone. I think you can see how that plays out. That's the difference between not having any right to enter the store and having the right not to suffer discrimination as a protected minority. And when the dust settles and I lose in court, Walmart can bar me from their stores if they want to because I sued them. But not because I have a disability.