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Didn't he read an acronym wrong and it was a nongovernmental agency in one of the most prominent examples he used? And Biden wasn't in office for the laptop st

by cma 3y ago

Didn't he read an acronym wrong and it was a nongovernmental agency in one of the most prominent examples he used? And Biden wasn't in office for the laptop stuff but Trump was for the stuff they requested get removed?

gottorf 3y ago
> it was a nongovernmental agency Several "non-governmental" agencies (like the Election Integrity Partnership or the Stanford Internet Observatory[0]) were involved in making recommendations to censor. I say "non-governmental" in quotes because entities like SIO receive a lot of federal funding, and key players shuttle back and forth between private and government functions. > Biden wasn't in office for the laptop stuff but Trump was I'm not sure what "laptop stuff" you're referring to, but whether Biden, Trump, or whoever else was in office has no bearing on the illegality of the executive actions in question. [0]: https://stanfordreview.org/stanfords-dark-hand-in-twitter-censorship/ https://stanfordreview.org/stanfords-dark-hand-in-twitter-ce...
- cma 3y ago
  Didn't EIP not apply for/receive federal grants in that timeframe (why put non-governmental in quotes wrt to them?
Manuel_D 3y ago
https://www.leefang.com/p/house-democrat-threatens-twitter https://www.leefang.com/p/house-democrat-threatens-twitter > Taibbi has admitted mistaking CIS for CISA in a single tweet in one of his many threads, but his testimony to Congress was entirely different. Hasan deceptively conflated this quickly corrected tweet with Taibbi’s testimony. > But the evidence shows that Taibbi’s congressional remarks were correct. CIS and CISA collaborated with EIP on moderation requests, with both organizations directly appealing to Twitter for censorship, making Taibbi’s overall point and particular argument completely accurate. He swapped them in one particular tweet, quickly corrected, but it was nowhere near "one of the most prominent examples".
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roenxi 3y ago
Twitter were revealed to have an active relationship with the US government to quash "misinformation" that they didn't like (which turned out to include things that are true but might be helpful to Trump's electoral prospects) while promoting misinformation that the FBI thinks is helpful to them [0]. This is authoritarianism and government corruption of the public discourse. It is hard to tell if it is new (the FBI seems to have had similar relationships with the corporate media since forever ago) but it is profoundly anti-liberty and a real betrayal of the freedom and openness that the tech companies stood up for in the early 2000s. > And Biden wasn't in office for the laptop stuff but Trump was for the stuff they requested get removed? While I do think it is less controversial than some people pretend - many politicians appear to have a lot more money than they should - it is naive in the extreme to say that being in office is the major factor when paying off politicians. Joe Bidan has held political offices since 1970s and is a significant force in the Democratic party, the returns on slipping him money would have been quite high whether he is in office or not. The idea isn't to get a specific couple of lines slipped into a bill, the idea is to guide the long term narrative. Think the difference between quashing a single Jeff Epstein investigation vs covering up the entire scandal over multiple years. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files#Nos._6-7:_FBI_communications_with_Twitter_Trust_and_Safety_Team https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files#Nos._6-7:_FBI_co... Releases 6, 7, 8, 9 & 10 being particularly interesting.
woooooo 3y ago
Zuckerberg said that the FBI pressured Facebook over Hunter Biden, you can look it up if you want another datapoint. Anyone who votes on Hunter Biden's personal habits is a dummy but there was definitely a coordinated campaign to call it "disinformation" despite the dude's actual dick being in the pictures.
- cma 3y ago
  Are you talking about on Joe Rogan? He didn't say that at all. He said they later assumed they were talking about the laptop from something they said earlier that was much more general about upcoming Russian misinfo.

by cma 3y ago

gottorf 3y ago

> it was a nongovernmental agency Several "non-governmental" agencies (like the Election Integrity Partnership or the Stanford Internet Observatory[0]) were involved in making recommendations to censor. I say "non-governmental" in quotes because entities like SIO receive a lot of federal funding, and key players shuttle back and forth between private and government functions. > Biden wasn't in office for the laptop stuff but Trump was I'm not sure what "laptop stuff" you're referring to, but whether Biden, Trump, or whoever else was in office has no bearing on the illegality of the executive actions in question. [0]: https://stanfordreview.org/stanfords-dark-hand-in-twitter-censorship/ https://stanfordreview.org/stanfords-dark-hand-in-twitter-ce...

cma 3y ago
Didn't EIP not apply for/receive federal grants in that timeframe (why put non-governmental in quotes wrt to them?

Manuel_D 3y ago

https://www.leefang.com/p/house-democrat-threatens-twitter https://www.leefang.com/p/house-democrat-threatens-twitter > Taibbi has admitted mistaking CIS for CISA in a single tweet in one of his many threads, but his testimony to Congress was entirely different. Hasan deceptively conflated this quickly corrected tweet with Taibbi’s testimony. > But the evidence shows that Taibbi’s congressional remarks were correct. CIS and CISA collaborated with EIP on moderation requests, with both organizations directly appealing to Twitter for censorship, making Taibbi’s overall point and particular argument completely accurate. He swapped them in one particular tweet, quickly corrected, but it was nowhere near "one of the most prominent examples".

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roenxi 3y ago

Twitter were revealed to have an active relationship with the US government to quash "misinformation" that they didn't like (which turned out to include things that are true but might be helpful to Trump's electoral prospects) while promoting misinformation that the FBI thinks is helpful to them [0]. This is authoritarianism and government corruption of the public discourse. It is hard to tell if it is new (the FBI seems to have had similar relationships with the corporate media since forever ago) but it is profoundly anti-liberty and a real betrayal of the freedom and openness that the tech companies stood up for in the early 2000s. > And Biden wasn't in office for the laptop stuff but Trump was for the stuff they requested get removed? While I do think it is less controversial than some people pretend - many politicians appear to have a lot more money than they should - it is naive in the extreme to say that being in office is the major factor when paying off politicians. Joe Bidan has held political offices since 1970s and is a significant force in the Democratic party, the returns on slipping him money would have been quite high whether he is in office or not. The idea isn't to get a specific couple of lines slipped into a bill, the idea is to guide the long term narrative. Think the difference between quashing a single Jeff Epstein investigation vs covering up the entire scandal over multiple years. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files#Nos._6-7:_FBI_communications_with_Twitter_Trust_and_Safety_Team https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files#Nos._6-7:_FBI_co... Releases 6, 7, 8, 9 & 10 being particularly interesting.

woooooo 3y ago

Zuckerberg said that the FBI pressured Facebook over Hunter Biden, you can look it up if you want another datapoint. Anyone who votes on Hunter Biden's personal habits is a dummy but there was definitely a coordinated campaign to call it "disinformation" despite the dude's actual dick being in the pictures.

cma 3y ago
Are you talking about on Joe Rogan? He didn't say that at all. He said they later assumed they were talking about the laptop from something they said earlier that was much more general about upcoming Russian misinfo.