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I don't know why the UK bothers to make new laws. It has no hope of enforcing them. The Police are mired in scandal and cut to the bone. The courts system is t

I don't know why the UK bothers to make new laws. It has no hope of enforcing them. The Police are mired in scandal and cut to the bone. The courts system is taking apart, with criminal barristers forced to strike for pay, courts closed and massive backlogs in both the criminal and civil branches. Prisons are full, and taking apart. A terrorist on remand escaped last week. What are they possibly going to do with yet another law? Edit: spelling.I use a swipe keyboard on my phone due to arthritis, and weird misspellings are a side effect. Sorry to the pedant below who couldn't see past one typo well enough to address the point.

miohtama 3y ago
Spy their own citizens
PaulKeeble 3y ago
The point isn't to enforce it, the judicial system has completely collapsed. The point is just to appeal to their voters who don't understand none of this can be enforced and when it doesn't happen (their own failures) they can claim the deep state and civil service are all to against them doing what people want.
- biscuitech 3y ago
  I hate that you're right. It doesn't apply exclusively to the UK
basseed 3y ago
"scandal"
teaearlgraycold 3y ago
Why is the UK government in collapse? The same reasons as the US?
- KaiserPro 3y ago
  different. The US government is designed to be inefficient and requires bipartisan agreement or a majority in both chambers to do stuff. The UK government has significantly more executive powers, far more than the president, and normally has a majority to pass things that can't be done by the excutive. the problem is that brexit and bad party leaders has been exceedingly disruptive and killed both the conservative and labour party. This is because it ripped apart the coalitions inside both parties. Suddenly the us and them was not our party and thier party, but people within the same party. The competent have been driven out by the populists, and then they've burnt up and been replaced by the "tim, nice but dims". (populists were boris and corbyn) Until we actually "deal" with or defuse brexit, and actually begin to structurally reform large parts of the country (education, industrial relations, health and local government to name but a few) we are going to be stuck
  - gorwell 3y ago
    Populism is a response to corrupt and incompetent establishments. There's nothing competent to drive out by the time populism rears its head. It was already long gone.
    - KaiserPro 3y ago
      > Populism is a response to corrupt and incompetent establishments populism is a response to discontent, nothing more, nothing less. Populists need an in. If the country thinks that the government is doing ok, or they are happy enough as they are, then populism can't spread. Populists need a cause and a scapegoat. boris was brexit. corbyn was "enough shitting on the poor and young"
    - bratbag 3y ago
      Populism is taking advantage of discontent to persuade people to act against their own best intrests. That discontent can be caused be anything. As long as a demagogue can lie about it and use it to kill rights and laws to empower themselves.
  - nicoburns 3y ago
cwales95 3y ago
Can confirm as a UK citizen. Laws are seeminly never really enforced from what I've noticed.
- jimnotgym 3y ago
  Indeed, look at the navel gazing as they try and work out how to ban a dog breed that is a clear hybrid of a breed that is already banned.... and therefore is banned already!
Exoristos 3y ago
They find the resources when it's time to go after their political enemies or make an example of a commoner. Or did you really believe this bill is meant to protect children?
- jimnotgym 3y ago
  >Or did you really believe this bill is meant to protect children? I don't see how that is implied by my comment.
atlantic 3y ago
The point of much recent legislation isn't enforcement on a large scale. It's to give the state the right to spy on and arrest anyone at all, since they criminalize ordinary behaviour. It creates an atmosphere of fear and conformity.
gustavus 3y ago
You misunderstand. The NSA has collected massive amounts of data on everyone, they could easily solve many murders, burglaries and most other crimes. But they don't, in fact they don't event really stop terrorists. So why collect all this data? They do it so they have a massive backlog of information, so that when someone decides you need to be taken care of they no longer have to figure out something to pin on you, they don't have to navigate around that pesky 4th Amendment. The purpose is so that when they decide you need to be taken care of they can go through the backlog find whatever they want and then boom. You're done.
- jimnotgym 3y ago
  > You misunderstand. Nice, start with an insult! > they don't have to navigate around that pesky 4th Amendment. They got around that in the UK already by not having a 4th Amendment...or indeed a written constitution. > They do it so they have a massive backlog of information, This implies a level of competence I do not recognise in the UK government.
  - kentrado 3y ago
    In which universe, is that an insult? You are assuming malice.
    - jimnotgym 3y ago
      You told me I misunderstood the facts, and implied therfore that I was naive. It is a classic 'forum' pattern, that people accept, but they shouldn't. It is a kind of sly underhand way of calling someone dumb
deafpolygon 3y ago
Enforcement isn't the goal. It's to have a stick they can use to beat down people they want to target. The more sticks at their disposal, the better. And all of their rich and wealthy compatriots will avoid the brunt of this, as per usual.

miohtama 3y ago

Spy their own citizens

PaulKeeble 3y ago

The point isn't to enforce it, the judicial system has completely collapsed. The point is just to appeal to their voters who don't understand none of this can be enforced and when it doesn't happen (their own failures) they can claim the deep state and civil service are all to against them doing what people want.

biscuitech 3y ago
I hate that you're right. It doesn't apply exclusively to the UK

basseed 3y ago

"scandal"

teaearlgraycold 3y ago

Why is the UK government in collapse? The same reasons as the US?

KaiserPro 3y ago
different. The US government is designed to be inefficient and requires bipartisan agreement or a majority in both chambers to do stuff. The UK government has significantly more executive powers, far more than the president, and normally has a majority to pass things that can't be done by the excutive. the problem is that brexit and bad party leaders has been exceedingly disruptive and killed both the conservative and labour party. This is because it ripped apart the coalitions inside both parties. Suddenly the us and them was not our party and thier party, but people within the same party. The competent have been driven out by the populists, and then they've burnt up and been replaced by the "tim, nice but dims". (populists were boris and corbyn) Until we actually "deal" with or defuse brexit, and actually begin to structurally reform large parts of the country (education, industrial relations, health and local government to name but a few) we are going to be stuck
- gorwell 3y ago
  Populism is a response to corrupt and incompetent establishments. There's nothing competent to drive out by the time populism rears its head. It was already long gone.
  - KaiserPro 3y ago
    > Populism is a response to corrupt and incompetent establishments populism is a response to discontent, nothing more, nothing less. Populists need an in. If the country thinks that the government is doing ok, or they are happy enough as they are, then populism can't spread. Populists need a cause and a scapegoat. boris was brexit. corbyn was "enough shitting on the poor and young"
  - bratbag 3y ago
    Populism is taking advantage of discontent to persuade people to act against their own best intrests. That discontent can be caused be anything. As long as a demagogue can lie about it and use it to kill rights and laws to empower themselves.
- nicoburns 3y ago

cwales95 3y ago

Can confirm as a UK citizen. Laws are seeminly never really enforced from what I've noticed.

jimnotgym 3y ago
Indeed, look at the navel gazing as they try and work out how to ban a dog breed that is a clear hybrid of a breed that is already banned.... and therefore is banned already!

Exoristos 3y ago

They find the resources when it's time to go after their political enemies or make an example of a commoner. Or did you really believe this bill is meant to protect children?

jimnotgym 3y ago
>Or did you really believe this bill is meant to protect children? I don't see how that is implied by my comment.

atlantic 3y ago

The point of much recent legislation isn't enforcement on a large scale. It's to give the state the right to spy on and arrest anyone at all, since they criminalize ordinary behaviour. It creates an atmosphere of fear and conformity.

gustavus 3y ago

You misunderstand. The NSA has collected massive amounts of data on everyone, they could easily solve many murders, burglaries and most other crimes. But they don't, in fact they don't event really stop terrorists. So why collect all this data? They do it so they have a massive backlog of information, so that when someone decides you need to be taken care of they no longer have to figure out something to pin on you, they don't have to navigate around that pesky 4th Amendment. The purpose is so that when they decide you need to be taken care of they can go through the backlog find whatever they want and then boom. You're done.

jimnotgym 3y ago
> You misunderstand. Nice, start with an insult! > they don't have to navigate around that pesky 4th Amendment. They got around that in the UK already by not having a 4th Amendment...or indeed a written constitution. > They do it so they have a massive backlog of information, This implies a level of competence I do not recognise in the UK government.
- kentrado 3y ago
  In which universe, is that an insult? You are assuming malice.
  - jimnotgym 3y ago
    You told me I misunderstood the facts, and implied therfore that I was naive. It is a classic 'forum' pattern, that people accept, but they shouldn't. It is a kind of sly underhand way of calling someone dumb

deafpolygon 3y ago

Enforcement isn't the goal. It's to have a stick they can use to beat down people they want to target. The more sticks at their disposal, the better. And all of their rich and wealthy compatriots will avoid the brunt of this, as per usual.