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If you fill the search results with enough SEO garbage eventually ads will look better by comparison. If ads are making your user experience better you have a s

by valine 3y ago

If you fill the search results with enough SEO garbage eventually ads will look better by comparison. If ads are making your user experience better you have a serious problem.

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
Okay, sure, build a better search engine that functions and is better without ads. Easier said than done. The internet is 99.99% scams and trash. It's easier said than done to find the signal in the noise. Some times - willing to pay (and being vetted not to be a scam) is a good indication of signal. Unfortunately, Google could do a little better on vetting their ad partners. Too often these days, ads are scams.
- Terretta 3y ago
  > build a better search engine that functions and is better without ads https://kagi.com https://kagi.com > The internet is 99.99% scams and trash. It's hard to find the signal in the noise. https://blog.kagi.com/small-web https://blog.kagi.com/small-web
  - janalsncm 3y ago
    Spot on. However I do wonder if the cost of indexing the internet would be prohibitively expensive for a company looking to bootstrap without ad money.
  - tqi 3y ago
    > We gather new content, published within the last week, from a handpicked list of blogs imo this only only works because it is a niche product? If Google went away, and Kagi became the #1 search engine overnight, I think this approach would immediately become a source of criticism for being too restrictive, gatekeeping newcomers or biased towards a narrow perspective (as Google itself already is).
    - Terretta 3y ago
      To be clear, overall Kagi is not limiting itself to the small web. That's a passion project of the founder who coded it himself to the consternation of his team.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
    Strange to define something as better with ~0% market share and not meaningfully growing, but sure.
    - Terretta 3y ago
      Strange to define market share as a gating criteria for better. So not sure I trust definition of "meaningfully" either. Perhaps a better word would be "sustainably".
- EA-3167 3y ago
  > Okay, sure, build a better search engine that functions and is better without ads. As others have said, Kagi. It's a great search engine, even if it's less powerful than Google, because unlike Google it works with you and for you, not against you and for advertisers. The fact that alt-search companies can flourish and grow even with Google's 800lb gorilla in the room should be a massive red flag to Google execs.
- lukev 3y ago
  > The internet is 99.99% scams and trash. Mostly because of Google.

by valine 3y ago

If you fill the search results with enough SEO garbage eventually ads will look better by comparison. If ads are making your user experience better you have a serious problem.

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago

Okay, sure, build a better search engine that functions and is better without ads. Easier said than done. The internet is 99.99% scams and trash. It's easier said than done to find the signal in the noise. Some times - willing to pay (and being vetted not to be a scam) is a good indication of signal. Unfortunately, Google could do a little better on vetting their ad partners. Too often these days, ads are scams.

Terretta 3y ago
> build a better search engine that functions and is better without ads https://kagi.com https://kagi.com > The internet is 99.99% scams and trash. It's hard to find the signal in the noise. https://blog.kagi.com/small-web https://blog.kagi.com/small-web
- janalsncm 3y ago
  Spot on. However I do wonder if the cost of indexing the internet would be prohibitively expensive for a company looking to bootstrap without ad money.
- tqi 3y ago
  > We gather new content, published within the last week, from a handpicked list of blogs imo this only only works because it is a niche product? If Google went away, and Kagi became the #1 search engine overnight, I think this approach would immediately become a source of criticism for being too restrictive, gatekeeping newcomers or biased towards a narrow perspective (as Google itself already is).
  - Terretta 3y ago
    To be clear, overall Kagi is not limiting itself to the small web. That's a passion project of the founder who coded it himself to the consternation of his team.
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
  Strange to define something as better with ~0% market share and not meaningfully growing, but sure.
  - Terretta 3y ago
    Strange to define market share as a gating criteria for better. So not sure I trust definition of "meaningfully" either. Perhaps a better word would be "sustainably".
EA-3167 3y ago
> Okay, sure, build a better search engine that functions and is better without ads. As others have said, Kagi. It's a great search engine, even if it's less powerful than Google, because unlike Google it works with you and for you, not against you and for advertisers. The fact that alt-search companies can flourish and grow even with Google's 800lb gorilla in the room should be a massive red flag to Google execs.
lukev 3y ago
> The internet is 99.99% scams and trash. Mostly because of Google.