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Is it more that they're against acquisitions in general, or specifically an acquisition by Oracle, widely considered one of the eviler tech companies?

actionfromafar 3y ago
Just short of a hundred million dollars against it, in that case. :-) Edit: my bad - Sun acquired it, not Oracle. Made me all sad for Suns demise again.
- thayne 3y ago
  IIRC MariaDB was forked when Oracle acquired Sun not when Sun acquired MySQL.
perbu 3y ago
As a long term MySQL user I think getting acquired by Oracle pretty good for the product. The old, hard issues that MySQL never had the engineering to tackle themselves finally got resolved.
- rubiquity 3y ago
  Facebook and Alibaba deserve a lot of the credit for MySQL’s recent renaissance.
  - b112 3y ago
    And a lot of mysql 5.6 was percona.
- asddubs 3y ago
  what are those?
  - 5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
    Atomic DDL (possible because of a complete rewrite of the underlying storage format), proper Unicode by default (did you know that utf8 in MySQL is not really utf8? hit up your favorite search engine for utf8mb3 vs utf8mb4), strict typing by default, plus a horde of new features many MySQL users have been waiting like CTEs and window functions. I too am a fan of what Oracle did for MySQL. There haven't been any major releases since 2018, though. Since their development process is closed, I am wondering when/if are we going to see MySQL 9 (if it's anything like 8, it's going to be huge). https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/mysql-nutshell.html https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/mysql-nutshell.html MariaDB initially went through a process of adding absolutely everything they could into the database (e.g: many additional storage engines like Cassandra and TokuDB), most of which since have been removed. It felt less like it was driven by a strong engineering process, and more like let's throw everything and see what sticks (not much did).
    - johannes1234321 3y ago
      > There haven't been any major releases since 2018, though. Since their development process is closed, I am wondering when/if are we going to see MySQL 9 (if it's anything like 8, it's going to be huge). MySQL since 8.0 is on a "rolling release" model, where features were shipped as part of 8.0 once they were finished instead of waiting for a 9.0 release. Thus 8.0 got quite a few improvements since 8.0.0. Recently they announced a new model where they split LTS style versions and increase version number, again, but features still appear as they are done and not for a big release: https://blogs.oracle.com/mysql/post/introducing-mysql-innovation-and-longterm-support-lts-versions https://blogs.oracle.com/mysql/post/introducing-mysql-innova...
    - evanelias 3y ago
      Just to add to the explanation in the sibling comment, MySQL 8.1 was released in July.
    - asddubs 3y ago
      didn't later versions of mysql 5 also have utf8mb4? Or did they do something else? I also wonder why mysql wouldn't have had the resources for strict typing by default, I'm fairly ignorant of the complexities involved, but since this involves just checking data types on insert, it would seem to my non-expert understanding like not that big of a task to add. I don't say that to disagree with you or disparage oracles work, I'm just trying to understand your point of view better.
MenhirMike 3y ago
> tech companies Oracle is not a tech company but a law firm that happens to have an engineering department.
- masklinn 3y ago
  That's IBM. Oracle is a horrible person which happens to have a law firm.
  - stock_toaster 3y ago
    Oracle is a lawnmower with a law firm.
  - b112 3y ago
    And a boat.
    - happycube 3y ago
      And a Pacific island.
    - red-iron-pine 3y ago
      Multiple boats, actually

actionfromafar 3y ago

Just short of a hundred million dollars against it, in that case. :-) Edit: my bad - Sun acquired it, not Oracle. Made me all sad for Suns demise again.

thayne 3y ago
IIRC MariaDB was forked when Oracle acquired Sun not when Sun acquired MySQL.

perbu 3y ago

As a long term MySQL user I think getting acquired by Oracle pretty good for the product. The old, hard issues that MySQL never had the engineering to tackle themselves finally got resolved.

rubiquity 3y ago
Facebook and Alibaba deserve a lot of the credit for MySQL’s recent renaissance.
- b112 3y ago
  And a lot of mysql 5.6 was percona.
asddubs 3y ago
what are those?
- 5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
  Atomic DDL (possible because of a complete rewrite of the underlying storage format), proper Unicode by default (did you know that utf8 in MySQL is not really utf8? hit up your favorite search engine for utf8mb3 vs utf8mb4), strict typing by default, plus a horde of new features many MySQL users have been waiting like CTEs and window functions. I too am a fan of what Oracle did for MySQL. There haven't been any major releases since 2018, though. Since their development process is closed, I am wondering when/if are we going to see MySQL 9 (if it's anything like 8, it's going to be huge). https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/mysql-nutshell.html https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/mysql-nutshell.html MariaDB initially went through a process of adding absolutely everything they could into the database (e.g: many additional storage engines like Cassandra and TokuDB), most of which since have been removed. It felt less like it was driven by a strong engineering process, and more like let's throw everything and see what sticks (not much did).
  - johannes1234321 3y ago
    > There haven't been any major releases since 2018, though. Since their development process is closed, I am wondering when/if are we going to see MySQL 9 (if it's anything like 8, it's going to be huge). MySQL since 8.0 is on a "rolling release" model, where features were shipped as part of 8.0 once they were finished instead of waiting for a 9.0 release. Thus 8.0 got quite a few improvements since 8.0.0. Recently they announced a new model where they split LTS style versions and increase version number, again, but features still appear as they are done and not for a big release: https://blogs.oracle.com/mysql/post/introducing-mysql-innovation-and-longterm-support-lts-versions https://blogs.oracle.com/mysql/post/introducing-mysql-innova...
  - evanelias 3y ago
    Just to add to the explanation in the sibling comment, MySQL 8.1 was released in July.
  - asddubs 3y ago
    didn't later versions of mysql 5 also have utf8mb4? Or did they do something else? I also wonder why mysql wouldn't have had the resources for strict typing by default, I'm fairly ignorant of the complexities involved, but since this involves just checking data types on insert, it would seem to my non-expert understanding like not that big of a task to add. I don't say that to disagree with you or disparage oracles work, I'm just trying to understand your point of view better.

MenhirMike 3y ago

> tech companies Oracle is not a tech company but a law firm that happens to have an engineering department.

masklinn 3y ago
That's IBM. Oracle is a horrible person which happens to have a law firm.
- stock_toaster 3y ago
  Oracle is a lawnmower with a law firm.
- b112 3y ago
  And a boat.
  - happycube 3y ago
    And a Pacific island.
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    Multiple boats, actually