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If parts weren't so unnecessarily difficult to get in the first part, stealing phones for parts wouldn't be a thing. Apple created this problem, they don't get

If parts weren't so unnecessarily difficult to get in the first part, stealing phones for parts wouldn't be a thing. Apple created this problem, they don't get to get credit for "fixing" it in a way that harms consumers.

sjkna 3y ago
If you apply that argument to everything that gets stolen you will see it doesn't stand on its own.
- MostlyStable 3y ago
  Which things other than phones are primarily stolen specifically to be parted out (and...to be perfectly honest I'm not sure I buy that it's even that big a thing in phones)? And which companies have made the problem worse by artificially restricting part supplies?
  - sjkna 3y ago
    I was talking about stealing in general, but... vehicles? Also I don't know of any major phone manufacturer that sells genuine parts besides Apple.
    - MostlyStable 3y ago
      If you were taking about theft in general, then I don't even know what point you were trying to make. And yes, other companies selling fewer official parts (although I've never been unable to get screens, batteries, or replacement charging parts for my non-apple phones) is bad, and I already criticize companies that fail to make parts available. When they start doing part pairing, I will criticize them for it to. The fact that this behavior is bad has nothing to do with it being Apple. Not making parts easy to get: bad. Making replacement parts not viable without input from manufacturer: also bad.
  - abtinf 3y ago
    Cars. And they have a massive OEM and aftermarket parts supply chain. https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/cars-most-likely-to-be-stolen-2022 https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/cars-most-likely-...
    - MostlyStable 3y ago
      Cars being stolen to chop shops is a thing, I am extremely skeptical that it's the primary reason cars are stolen.\ -edit- Yeah even according to your source, a pretty tiny minority appear to be stolen for parts. Probably because, as you point out, parts are so easy and relatively cheap to get, except for inherently valuable parts like catalytic converters. And guess what? If people start stealing iPhones to harvest the gold/rare metals, parts pairing is not going to fix that.
pseg134 3y ago
Stealing phones for parts is only a “thing” because any U.S. carrier would still block a stolen IMEI. If you steal a car, for example, you can use it to for its primary purpose which is to drive. If you steal a phone, you can only sell it for parts.
- paulmd 3y ago
  yeah, used cars apparently mostly get exported to ghana and some other countries that have extremely loose customs who don't care about stolen goods moving in. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/auto-theft-canada-1.6953242 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/auto-theft-canada-1.6953242 if you could re-use a phone, people would just factory reset the phone after stealing it, and people did it. then apple locked that down. then people started stripping the phone for parts instead, and apple started serializing parts. Etc.

sjkna 3y ago

If you apply that argument to everything that gets stolen you will see it doesn't stand on its own.

MostlyStable 3y ago
Which things other than phones are primarily stolen specifically to be parted out (and...to be perfectly honest I'm not sure I buy that it's even that big a thing in phones)? And which companies have made the problem worse by artificially restricting part supplies?
- sjkna 3y ago
  I was talking about stealing in general, but... vehicles? Also I don't know of any major phone manufacturer that sells genuine parts besides Apple.
  - MostlyStable 3y ago
    If you were taking about theft in general, then I don't even know what point you were trying to make. And yes, other companies selling fewer official parts (although I've never been unable to get screens, batteries, or replacement charging parts for my non-apple phones) is bad, and I already criticize companies that fail to make parts available. When they start doing part pairing, I will criticize them for it to. The fact that this behavior is bad has nothing to do with it being Apple. Not making parts easy to get: bad. Making replacement parts not viable without input from manufacturer: also bad.
- abtinf 3y ago
  Cars. And they have a massive OEM and aftermarket parts supply chain. https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/cars-most-likely-to-be-stolen-2022 https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/cars-most-likely-...
  - MostlyStable 3y ago
    Cars being stolen to chop shops is a thing, I am extremely skeptical that it's the primary reason cars are stolen.\ -edit- Yeah even according to your source, a pretty tiny minority appear to be stolen for parts. Probably because, as you point out, parts are so easy and relatively cheap to get, except for inherently valuable parts like catalytic converters. And guess what? If people start stealing iPhones to harvest the gold/rare metals, parts pairing is not going to fix that.

pseg134 3y ago

Stealing phones for parts is only a “thing” because any U.S. carrier would still block a stolen IMEI. If you steal a car, for example, you can use it to for its primary purpose which is to drive. If you steal a phone, you can only sell it for parts.

paulmd 3y ago
yeah, used cars apparently mostly get exported to ghana and some other countries that have extremely loose customs who don't care about stolen goods moving in. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/auto-theft-canada-1.6953242 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/auto-theft-canada-1.6953242 if you could re-use a phone, people would just factory reset the phone after stealing it, and people did it. then apple locked that down. then people started stripping the phone for parts instead, and apple started serializing parts. Etc.