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Such an ignore button would allow theft to continue and would allow users to make poor security decisions. I agree that something needs to happen to enable easi
by falsenapkin 3y ago
Such an ignore button would allow theft to continue and would allow users to make poor security decisions. I agree that something needs to happen to enable easier or maybe more privacy focused 3rd party repairs but I also appreciate my device being less of a target.
- tumult 3y agoWhat? How is someone who snatched your phone out of your hand and ran away going to know your password and authentication information needed to authorize a parts replacement?
- sbuk 3y agoWhat is your stance on government backdoors in encryption?
- thinkling 3y agoThey're going to snatch your phone, break it up into parts, and install those into other people's phones, and those people will happily approve the new part.
- jiminymcmoogley 3y agoapprove them on your behalf? theyd still be paired to your device
- falsenapkin 3y agoMy comment is in response to your “yes this replacement is desired.” button in a world where parts can be harvested from a phone and used in a different one. My understanding of what you mean is if phone A were stolen and parts removed from it and installed in phone B then phone B would get the “yes this replacement is desired.” button instead of whatever is in place now. My feeling is this button would be no different from just not having a button at all. The user of phone B will almost never care what that prompt says and will just click through, they're certainly not going to consider the parts were stolen from phone A.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y agoChange "replacement" to "removal" and it should work as intended. I haven't authorized my stolen phone's parts to be removed so they can't be installed in any other phone.
- bonzini 3y agoBut if the phone doesn't turn on you can't authorize the removal. And if it turns on but a factory reset is enough to let you authorize the removal, you're back to square 1. Either way it's not feasible.
- circuit10 3y agoIt's a better solution than always rejecting it, at least
- sciolistse 3y agothe phone is likely linked to an apple account. seems reasonable that if the components are approved for a specific phone and that phone is linked to an icloud account, that account could permit a swap?
- bonzini 3y agoThat assumes that you managed to ask the previous owner to log into iCloud on another phone and "free" the previous one for repairs. I guess you could do that if he's buying a new iPhone from you, but still... it is similar to the Macs that are stuck on the previous owner's enterprise account.
- snypher 3y agoI thought person A/ex-phone A would get the "someone is using your old battery, allow?" via iCloud account
- sneeze-slayer 3y agoI think the point is that an unsuspecting buyer of, e.g. a screen replacement, could end up going to a shady repair shop that uses stolen parts, sees the message once, clicks "OK", and moves on. The reasoning being that this scenario would cause some demand for black market parts. The suggestion from OP whereby the seller of a used phone logs in and "unpairs" the parts could avoid this, unless a robber forces you to do it under duress.
- red_trumpet 3y ago> unless a robber forces you to do it under duress. Isn't that possible with the full iPhone atm?
- i_love_cookies 3y agoYes, it's actually made phone theft even worse as a victim. instead of running with the device muggers are demanding pin's and passcodes at gun/knife point it's resulted in a few deaths in chicago at least
- ghostpepper 3y agoGot a source on this? Quick google search for "Chicago death iPhone mugging" did not turn up anything about robbers specifically asking for PIN codes, or killing someone for not providing it.
- bearchicago1 3y agoDakota Earley age 23 was viciously attacked and shot 3 times and barely survived. all caught on video and you can hear the thieves demanding the passcode. https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/family-of-dakotah-earley-man-shot-during-robbery-in-lincoln-park-gives-update-to-his-condition/ https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/family-of-dakotah-earle... and before you dismiss it given the time of day or one off, armed robberies for cell phones are way up in chicago and they are occurring in broad daylight . the crime that keeps getting covered and that I know someone who this happened to is, 1 -2 people walking on the street, a car pulls up with 4 people . they all get out and have guns and force you to give up your phone and passcode. Armed Robberies are way up 44% 7978 cases and they are all for iPhones and passcodes . people are getting pistol whipped when they don't cooperate and increasingly even when they do. https://cwbchicago.com/2023/09/chicago-at-least-14-robbed-violent-crime-spree-north-side-downtown.html https://cwbchicago.com/2023/09/chicago-at-least-14-robbed-vi... https://cwbchicago.com/2023/09/north-side-chicago-robbery-spree-depaul-university-student-lincoln-park.html https://cwbchicago.com/2023/09/north-side-chicago-robbery-sp... https://cwbchicago.com/2023/09/4-more-depaul-students-were-mugged-overnight-one-was-battered-another-pistol-whipped.html https://cwbchicago.com/2023/09/4-more-depaul-students-were-m...
- BoorishBears 3y agoYou should search what happens when these phones are stolen with Apple's lock on them. It's almost always the same play book: - moves to some US address nearby - turns off for days - shows up in Shenzhen or Guangzhou Usually from there are a few attempts to phish the owner with fake iCloud alerts (and sometimes outright threats) before they strip it for parts. To be clear it's not like the phone theft itself is part of some concerted effort by Chinese actors: there are only so many places where the tools and skills to strip down, repackage, and resell something as specific as an iPhone speaker unit are so common
- stevenwliao 3y agoWhen my phone was taken in an armed robbery, it ended up in Ho Chi Minh City. No threats though... I assume they just parted it out.
- ASalazarMX 3y agoThieves who really want your iPhone will make you unlock it (or just point it to your face) and remove it from your iCloud account. Much better than using it for parts.
- ribosometronome 3y agoDoes that happen? I've not heard of that. Regardless, that does iPhones are still immune to everything short of armed robbery. That your front door lock doesn't stop thieves from smashing the window to get in doesn't mean it doesn't serve a purpose.
- ASalazarMX 3y agoIt happens if they can get away with it, a working used iPhone is more valuable than its parts short-term.