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What is 'hardcore immigration'? Japan doesn't have to adopt the immigration policies of France or Italy. However, implementing some form of selective immigratio

What is 'hardcore immigration'? Japan doesn't have to adopt the immigration policies of France or Italy. However, implementing some form of selective immigration with assimilation programs appears to be a potential solution

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
> However, implementing some form of selective immigration with assimilation programs appears to be a potential solution This would require not only legislative changes, but also a significant social shift. The broad Japanese society simply does not believe at present in “assimilation”, because it maintains such a strict in-group, out-group separation and the latter simply can never be Japanese in their view. For example, up to the end of the 20th century, Japanese would trust foreigners less the better those foreigners spoke Japanese, because a truly fluent and proficient foreigner would be viewed as confused about his/her ethnic identity or trespassing on something distinct Japanese. This has gradually changed somewhat with the influx of people from other Asian countries who work in kombinis etc., but it still shows the sort of social resistance that advocates for immigration reform are up against.
- blue_pants 3y ago
  Indeed, immigration is a challenging path, but the problem is also serious, and I'm not aware of simpler solutions
thefounder 3y ago
Why not a solution without immigration? Let's just stop pretending that we need to offshore human factories as well.
- blue_pants 3y ago
  What are the possible solutions besides immigration? I'm not really well-versed in this topic, so I'm not aware of other solutions and am asking earnestly
  - bluGill 3y ago
    Something bring the birth rate up. The world is losing some genetic diversity as some groups like the Japanese are not passing most of their genetics on. I have no idea how to get people to have kids though. Some things like child care, time off for kids, and different taxes can be tried, but are they enough?
    - blue_pants 3y ago
      Perhaps the only correct solution is a combination of methods: selective immigration + programs that make it easier to have children + maybe some state propaganda (state propaganda can be good, though not always is) + other approaches. When you think about it, it really seems like a gigantic task
      - thefounder 3y ago
        It's not really a gigantic task to offer perks for families(i.e better loan rates, childcare services etc)and you don't need any immigration. Of course you need some positive discrimination ajd perhaps propaganda as well. You get propaganda anyway (i.e a while ago we had a lot of war propaganda<i.e on terror>, nowdays we get a lot of LGBTQ propaganda) so it's not "bad" per see as long as it's acknowledged and serves the common good. I would take that over the "we need cheap labour/immigrants with unlimited visa to sustain our economy" propagabda.
        bluGill 3y ago
        The question is will those things work. Will people ignore your perks and propaganda and continue not having kids? I do not know. Finding what actually works might be a gigantic task.
  - xcxcx 3y ago
    Get rid of retirees. Harakiri part deux
    - 3y ago

OfSanguineFire 3y ago

> However, implementing some form of selective immigration with assimilation programs appears to be a potential solution This would require not only legislative changes, but also a significant social shift. The broad Japanese society simply does not believe at present in “assimilation”, because it maintains such a strict in-group, out-group separation and the latter simply can never be Japanese in their view. For example, up to the end of the 20th century, Japanese would trust foreigners less the better those foreigners spoke Japanese, because a truly fluent and proficient foreigner would be viewed as confused about his/her ethnic identity or trespassing on something distinct Japanese. This has gradually changed somewhat with the influx of people from other Asian countries who work in kombinis etc., but it still shows the sort of social resistance that advocates for immigration reform are up against.

blue_pants 3y ago
Indeed, immigration is a challenging path, but the problem is also serious, and I'm not aware of simpler solutions

thefounder 3y ago

Why not a solution without immigration? Let's just stop pretending that we need to offshore human factories as well.

blue_pants 3y ago
What are the possible solutions besides immigration? I'm not really well-versed in this topic, so I'm not aware of other solutions and am asking earnestly
- bluGill 3y ago
  Something bring the birth rate up. The world is losing some genetic diversity as some groups like the Japanese are not passing most of their genetics on. I have no idea how to get people to have kids though. Some things like child care, time off for kids, and different taxes can be tried, but are they enough?
  - blue_pants 3y ago
    Perhaps the only correct solution is a combination of methods: selective immigration + programs that make it easier to have children + maybe some state propaganda (state propaganda can be good, though not always is) + other approaches. When you think about it, it really seems like a gigantic task
    - thefounder 3y ago
      It's not really a gigantic task to offer perks for families(i.e better loan rates, childcare services etc)and you don't need any immigration. Of course you need some positive discrimination ajd perhaps propaganda as well. You get propaganda anyway (i.e a while ago we had a lot of war propaganda<i.e on terror>, nowdays we get a lot of LGBTQ propaganda) so it's not "bad" per see as long as it's acknowledged and serves the common good. I would take that over the "we need cheap labour/immigrants with unlimited visa to sustain our economy" propagabda.
      - bluGill 3y ago
        The question is will those things work. Will people ignore your perks and propaganda and continue not having kids? I do not know. Finding what actually works might be a gigantic task.
- xcxcx 3y ago
  Get rid of retirees. Harakiri part deux
  - 3y ago