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Serious question for fellow Tesla drivers: Does anyone currently use FSD? What's the value prop? I just got a Model Y and tried it out (it came with a 3 mont

by nlh 3y ago

Serious question for fellow Tesla drivers: Does anyone currently use FSD? What's the value prop? I just got a Model Y and tried it out (it came with a 3 month free trial) and found it awful. To the point of this comment -- it's called "Autopilot" but it yells at you (and punishes you!) if you look at your phone or stop paying attention or take your hands off the wheel. I just can't imagine this being something I'd pay an extra $199/month (or $15,000) for after the trial's over. I much prefer the Waymo / Cruise vision of a car I can sit in as a passenger, not this weird hybrid "still need to pay full attention but have none of the control of being an actual driver" version Tesla is offering. But maybe I'm missing something...? EDIT: I'm a terrible nerd and confused FSD and Autopilot. What I'm really asking about is FSD (Full Self Driving). Sorry about that!

vel0city 3y ago
> But maybe I'm missing something...? I think so, because FSD != Autopilot, and if its nagging you constantly about paying attention you're not in FSD. I'm not arguing that FSD is any good or with it, I'm just suggesting you didn't actually use Tesla "FSD".
fragmede 3y ago
Waymo / Cruise is limited to San Francisco, and isn't generally available right now. FSD is available today and can access freeways for long distance driving. SF to LA or NYC to Boston, say. FSD > Autopilot. Even if you have to pay attention, it still makes the drive easier - at the end of the drive you're less exhausted.
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csa 3y ago
> it's called "Autopilot" but it yells at you (and punishes you!) if you look at your phone or stop paying attention or take your hands off the wheel. There are many things to break down here: 1. FSD sucks mostly sucks (as commenters have alluded to). Autopilot is quite good, although it does “fuss at you” for things you mentioned. 2. Autopilot is a misnomer. What the feature as documented does versus what the name suggests are not the same. Imho, this is actually a marketing failure by Tesla — calling it “Advanced Cruise Control” or some made up name would have been just fine. 3. You should keep your eyes on the road when using advanced cruise control. 4. Related, you should not be looking at your phone while you are driving (with the exception of maybe a quick look at a message when you’re stopped). 5. You actually can take your hands off the wheel, often for quite a bit of time, while in autopilot. Also, just touching it is not enough — there needs to be some tension on the wheel. This is not hard to do, and is a reasonable ask imho. 6. To stop the car from fussing at you about a few things, I recommend getting a little slide cover to cover the interior camera that you can get on Amazon for $5-10. Works like a charm.
- sowbug 3y ago
  > little slide cover The car will scream at you if you cover the camera while using FSD. Very Black Mirror.
  - csa 3y ago
    This might be specific to FSD. No problems with AP.
- GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
  "Autopilot" is kind of a funny term because pilots definitely still need to pay attention to other aspects of the plane while flying
- nlh 3y ago
  100% agreed - yes and you helped me realize that I was confusing FSD and Autopilot. Everything you've said about Autopilot is correct and accurate and I agree. What I really meant to ask about is FSD -- thanks for the clarification!
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by nlh 3y ago

vel0city 3y ago

> But maybe I'm missing something...? I think so, because FSD != Autopilot, and if its nagging you constantly about paying attention you're not in FSD. I'm not arguing that FSD is any good or with it, I'm just suggesting you didn't actually use Tesla "FSD".

fragmede 3y ago

Waymo / Cruise is limited to San Francisco, and isn't generally available right now. FSD is available today and can access freeways for long distance driving. SF to LA or NYC to Boston, say. FSD > Autopilot. Even if you have to pay attention, it still makes the drive easier - at the end of the drive you're less exhausted.

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csa 3y ago

> it's called "Autopilot" but it yells at you (and punishes you!) if you look at your phone or stop paying attention or take your hands off the wheel. There are many things to break down here: 1. FSD sucks mostly sucks (as commenters have alluded to). Autopilot is quite good, although it does “fuss at you” for things you mentioned. 2. Autopilot is a misnomer. What the feature as documented does versus what the name suggests are not the same. Imho, this is actually a marketing failure by Tesla — calling it “Advanced Cruise Control” or some made up name would have been just fine. 3. You should keep your eyes on the road when using advanced cruise control. 4. Related, you should not be looking at your phone while you are driving (with the exception of maybe a quick look at a message when you’re stopped). 5. You actually can take your hands off the wheel, often for quite a bit of time, while in autopilot. Also, just touching it is not enough — there needs to be some tension on the wheel. This is not hard to do, and is a reasonable ask imho. 6. To stop the car from fussing at you about a few things, I recommend getting a little slide cover to cover the interior camera that you can get on Amazon for $5-10. Works like a charm.

sowbug 3y ago
> little slide cover The car will scream at you if you cover the camera while using FSD. Very Black Mirror.
- csa 3y ago
  This might be specific to FSD. No problems with AP.
GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
"Autopilot" is kind of a funny term because pilots definitely still need to pay attention to other aspects of the plane while flying
nlh 3y ago
100% agreed - yes and you helped me realize that I was confusing FSD and Autopilot. Everything you've said about Autopilot is correct and accurate and I agree. What I really meant to ask about is FSD -- thanks for the clarification!

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