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Pretty sure most studies about the effects of coffee and red wine are flawed.
by ketanmaheshwari 3y ago
Pretty sure most studies about the effects of coffee and red wine are flawed.
- waihtis 3y agowhy coffee and red wine specifically?
- blfr 3y agoPopular subjects, soft disciplines, frequent contradicting results.
- PaulHoule 3y agoBoth of those are substances that should be harmful based on the effects of the major ingredients: e.g. caffeine is addictive and when I am deprived of it my schizotypy flares up and I have paranoid episodes (I yell at my wife “why the hell are you always standing where I want to go next?”) I have had two doctors tell me three other reasons why I should quit. Look in the medical literature and it seems outright spammed by reports on the positive effects of caffeine and negative reports on any of the harmful effects one would expect. Similarly the main active ingredient of red wine (alcohol) is harmful, red wine in particular causes a lot of discomfort, dispepsia, hangovers and other unpleasant effects if you get a bad vintage but look the literature and it is like it will transport you to a blue zone and you will love forever. And you find those kind of papers spammed in “real” journals, not MDPI or “Frontiers” journals.
- denimnerd42 3y agoFuran content in coffee too. Very low amount but still. Coffee prevents headaches for me so I'll always drink it. And no it's not related to physical dependence although at this point the withdrawal will guarantee a headache.
- goosinmouse 3y agoI can relate. I never drank anything with caffeine and would get headaches fairly often. Headaches were never too bad or too often to need medical attention but was just normal part of life. I started drinking coffee on road trips and drives over 3 hours long and noticed that my headache coming on would go away right after. Now i drink coffee twice daily and i'll get a headache once a month at most.
- lurquer 3y agoI drank five or six cups of coffee a day for decades. I’d even have a cup before going to bed — that’s how tolerant I had become. Got a mild flu/Covid/cold couple years ago. Better in a week. But, during the illness and since, the slightest bit of caffeine would make be incredibly wired to the point of panic attacks. Had to quit cold turkey. I’ve tried a cup now and again, and it’s the same thing: 6 hours of overwhelming anxiety. Wierd. It’s like I became hypersensitive to caffeine. Oddly, though, nicotine doesn’t have that effect, and I always figured the two stimulants were similar.
- waihtis 3y agoTry yerba mate, like seriously. It gives you a very smooth caffeine-induced motivation boost without any of the anxiety effects. I frequently switch between that and coffee (coffee has a much more pronounced effect and sometimes you have to grind)
- smazga 3y agoYerba mate is my caffeine of choice and I suggested it to my Dad who gets bad migraines. He claims that when he feels a migraine coming on, he can drink a can and it will result in a mild headache instead of forcing him to lie down in a dark room for hours.
- MavisBacon 3y agoInteresting. I was at one point diagnosed with "tension headaches" and prescribed a medication called Fioricet which is a combination of caffeine, acetaminophen, and a barbituate called butalbital. Incredibly effective. I'm sure the harm profile of coffee alone is lower so if it's totally eliminating headaches as a problem for you it's perhaps a better solution, but thought i'd throw that out there as it could be worth seeing a neurologist if the problem becomes unmanageable for you
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- waihtis 3y agoYes but that's not something you can automatically draw inferences from. Exercise is harmful to you in a short enough time interval but benefits you on the long run.
- 99_00 3y ago>caffeine is addictive and when I am deprived of it my schizotypy flares up and I have paranoid episodes Dose size matters.
- PaulHoule 3y ago... and I find it very hard to stay at a low dose. If I quit entirely for a few weeks I could probably manage one small coffee a day for a while but inevitably I'd have a rough night and then I need a small and then another small or maybe just a large and pretty soon I can be drinking two whole carafe a day. I have the same issue w/ cannabis. Right now I have a few plants (legal) in the garden and also a bag that is going to a friend and I don't care. If I had a little puff though the next day I would want another little puff and another and in a week or so I would be like the guy in the Bob Marley song https://genius.com/The-toyes-smoke-two-joints-lyrics https://genius.com/The-toyes-smoke-two-joints-lyrics
- Ekaros 3y agoIt might be that those are common enough in shared datasets or when datasets are collected. So it is easy to draw interferences with them and various other measured factors.
- function_seven 3y agoThat cynicism you have about those studies is probably because you don't eat enough eggs. Or too many. I'm not sure...
- PaulHoule 3y agoAt least I get eggs from a neighbor and not “big egg”; I keep thinking about getting my own chickens but that’s not the way I want to feed Mr. Fox who lives in my neighborhood too.
- the_af 3y agoWell, your free range chickens aren't truly free range if they don't have to fend off the occasional (and free range) fox! Nothing is more natural and free range than the occasional murder between animals.
- johndhi 3y agoI like where this thread is going.
- cratermoon 3y agoMy free range chickens are protected by free range fox predators that are communal with them. Sometimes they will eat a chicken or two, but mostly they let the chickens be because they keep the free range parasites in check.
- PaulHoule 3y agoI definitely count on stinging insects that live in holes in my house (or that make holes) to keep other stinging insects away. What I've been told is that opossums are much worse than foxes in the sense that a fox will usually eat a chicken or two to survive but opossums seem to freak out and will kill all the hens in a henhouse in one go. I've often wished I could talk with my cats but more than ever I wish I could ask them what they knew about the fox. There is this lady https://www.youtube.com/@debs3289 https://www.youtube.com/@debs3289 who meets them in the street, has them come to her door, and feeds them chicken (!) Secretly I imagine that the fox is really a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune and my wife is always reminding me that it has just one tail, not nine.
- the_af 3y agoWhat!? Everyone knows a glass of wine once a day is good for your heart, but also even a single glass a year is way too much and causes irreversible damage ;) The old adage applies: "everything nice is either illegal or bad for your health". Or both, I would add.
- sampo 3y ago> "everything nice is either illegal or bad for your health" And is known to cause cancer in the State of California.
- tarxvf 3y agoWell that's alright then, I'm in New Hampshire.
- jylam 3y agoI'm nice so your point doesn't stand. Or does it ? I'm not illegal at least.
- the_af 3y agoWell, you would say so even if you were illegal!
- Clubber 3y agoOr will produce a baby.
- zzo38computer 3y agoI think that something can have both good and bad effects.
- the_af 3y agoYes, of course. But have you read journalists reporting on science findings? It's always an extreme "scientists now claim one glass of wine a day is good for you!" and "scientists discovered that even one glass of wine will ruin your life forever". Never the middle ground, it's always a shocking new finding "by science" (spoiler: scientists seldom say the things newspapers and pop-science/nutrition & health articles claim they say).
- swalsh 3y agoI read a lot of studies about gout, there's a lot of studies like "we found participants who consumed x cups of coffee lowered their uric acid" all of them follow the same pattern. They asked people to consume more liquids, and it lowered their uric acids. I think peeing more lowers your uric acid.
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