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> It is not a nice thing to do, and really mean if shared in public, but the types of measures it would take to stop it are incompatible with a free society. t

> It is not a nice thing to do, and really mean if shared in public, but the types of measures it would take to stop it are incompatible with a free society. terminally uncreative take. I'm actually curious what you mean by free society tho because clearly we are not totally without rules and taboos, what are we free to do and where do we draw the line? imo deepfakes are not that different from revenge porn, it is an image of you being shared without your consent. doesn't matter that it's 90% synthesized, your image was used in a way designed to hurt you or at least your reputation. we have laws about libel and slander, where's the incompatibility?

giantg2 3y ago
There's a difference between between actually stopping it and laws. Sure, the law can be there but it's going to be hard to enforce and we need to see how the case law pans out. What can you actually do to truly stop it? Ban deep fake software? How's that ban going to work out? To what degree is libel and slander present in current schools and how often is it successfully addressed?
lrvick 3y ago
The incompatibility lies with it being unenforceable at scale even if illegal. Religious blasphemy is not legal in many countries. Sharing pirated content is not legal in many countries, but we all are on the same internet. Trying to lock up millions of people anonymously sharing data globally that is not even universally illegal is an absurd enforcement problem. At some point enforcement becomes impossible without killing access to a free anonymous internet entirely.
- grondo4 3y ago
  Right but we're able to relatively effectively scrub child porn from the Internet right? What makes deepfake porn different?
  - lrvick 3y ago
    Child porn is a couple clicks away for anyone with internet access. Any teen boy that wants to see pictures of similarly aged girls, finds them quickly. Remember that such pictures, no matter how gross, are legal in many countries who share the internet with us. I am not saying that is okay, but I am saying it is impossible to stop without shutting down the internet. If anything deepfake tech reduces the demand to abuse real humans to obtain some types of pictures, which might reduce harm, even if in gross way. Also you can find copyright movies too just as easily no matter how many billions have been spent trying to stop it.
helen___keller 3y ago
I think stopping sharing is possible it’s stopping generation that’s probably incompatible AI is taking off like a rocket. Soon it’s going to be as easy as asking chatGPT to generate the photos/videos/whatever you want - and while chatGPT may be censored, there’s almost certainly going to be open source models that are not censored

giantg2 3y ago

There's a difference between between actually stopping it and laws. Sure, the law can be there but it's going to be hard to enforce and we need to see how the case law pans out. What can you actually do to truly stop it? Ban deep fake software? How's that ban going to work out? To what degree is libel and slander present in current schools and how often is it successfully addressed?

lrvick 3y ago

The incompatibility lies with it being unenforceable at scale even if illegal. Religious blasphemy is not legal in many countries. Sharing pirated content is not legal in many countries, but we all are on the same internet. Trying to lock up millions of people anonymously sharing data globally that is not even universally illegal is an absurd enforcement problem. At some point enforcement becomes impossible without killing access to a free anonymous internet entirely.

grondo4 3y ago
Right but we're able to relatively effectively scrub child porn from the Internet right? What makes deepfake porn different?
- lrvick 3y ago
  Child porn is a couple clicks away for anyone with internet access. Any teen boy that wants to see pictures of similarly aged girls, finds them quickly. Remember that such pictures, no matter how gross, are legal in many countries who share the internet with us. I am not saying that is okay, but I am saying it is impossible to stop without shutting down the internet. If anything deepfake tech reduces the demand to abuse real humans to obtain some types of pictures, which might reduce harm, even if in gross way. Also you can find copyright movies too just as easily no matter how many billions have been spent trying to stop it.

helen___keller 3y ago

I think stopping sharing is possible it’s stopping generation that’s probably incompatible AI is taking off like a rocket. Soon it’s going to be as easy as asking chatGPT to generate the photos/videos/whatever you want - and while chatGPT may be censored, there’s almost certainly going to be open source models that are not censored