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Is autopilot really that important to everyone? I can't say I've ever been driving thinking I wish I could be doing absolutely nothing right now.

jstarfish 3y ago
Traffic is a fucking nightmare in Atlanta and Los Angeles, and Atlanta's mass transit sucks bigtime. Having FSD crawl along in low gear while you read the news or finish getting dressed would make for a way more tolerable commute.
- yomlica8 3y ago
  Which, ironically, will make traffic worse by increasing the maximum amount of it a person can endure.
  - jrflowers 3y ago
    I love the idea of looking at traffic and thinking “the solution here is more induced demand”
kayodelycaon 3y ago
My car has lane centering and radar cruise control. I use it frequently on dry, well-marked highways. It allows me to drive with less mental energy because I don’t have to steer the car or maintain speed. My hands are always on the wheel and I’m still watching everything as if I was driving. It does a good job under ideal conditions. This may not seem like much but it adds up over a multi-hour trip. In rain or snow, I tend to avoid any automation to keep continuous awareness of how much traction my tires have. Too many people have died when automation hides problems until failure and then squishy thing behind the controls gets surprised.
yardie 3y ago
I use it because the Tesla infotainment system is garbage and quite limited compared to Carplay/Android Auto. And I need to look away and at my phone to use proper apps like Waze, Apple Maps, Overcast, etc. The onboard Spotify app, for example, doesn't do HD audio and doesn't load playlists completely. Tesla, rather than giving customers what they want, would prefer they deal with their limited inhouse system. $12/15k for FSD never made sense to me. Tesla is moving to subscriptions where development comes at $200/mo and customers don't have to assume all the risk.
- adrr 3y ago
  Funny thing is if you paid for FSD in full, you'll never get a car that will be able to have self driving. They are upgrading the hardware again which includes new cameras. I bet it goes two or three more iterations before we have level 3. I have FSD but it was only $1500 or so not $15k. I have come to the realization my car will never be able to drive by itself.
jrflowers 3y ago
I’ve had several conversations on this very website wherein people declined to ballpark the number of deaths caused by self-driving cars that would be unacceptable in pursuit of the imminent self-driving utopia, which they declined to describe or make a guess to when (or if) it might come to be. There is a very vocal group of people that are adamant that the ability to fully dedicate themselves to perineum sunning along the I-5 corridor is a societal Good that eclipses any amount of loss of life, and certainly any other safety or privacy concerns.

jstarfish 3y ago

Traffic is a fucking nightmare in Atlanta and Los Angeles, and Atlanta's mass transit sucks bigtime. Having FSD crawl along in low gear while you read the news or finish getting dressed would make for a way more tolerable commute.

yomlica8 3y ago
Which, ironically, will make traffic worse by increasing the maximum amount of it a person can endure.
- jrflowers 3y ago
  I love the idea of looking at traffic and thinking “the solution here is more induced demand”

kayodelycaon 3y ago

My car has lane centering and radar cruise control. I use it frequently on dry, well-marked highways. It allows me to drive with less mental energy because I don’t have to steer the car or maintain speed. My hands are always on the wheel and I’m still watching everything as if I was driving. It does a good job under ideal conditions. This may not seem like much but it adds up over a multi-hour trip. In rain or snow, I tend to avoid any automation to keep continuous awareness of how much traction my tires have. Too many people have died when automation hides problems until failure and then squishy thing behind the controls gets surprised.

yardie 3y ago

I use it because the Tesla infotainment system is garbage and quite limited compared to Carplay/Android Auto. And I need to look away and at my phone to use proper apps like Waze, Apple Maps, Overcast, etc. The onboard Spotify app, for example, doesn't do HD audio and doesn't load playlists completely. Tesla, rather than giving customers what they want, would prefer they deal with their limited inhouse system. $12/15k for FSD never made sense to me. Tesla is moving to subscriptions where development comes at $200/mo and customers don't have to assume all the risk.

adrr 3y ago
Funny thing is if you paid for FSD in full, you'll never get a car that will be able to have self driving. They are upgrading the hardware again which includes new cameras. I bet it goes two or three more iterations before we have level 3. I have FSD but it was only $1500 or so not $15k. I have come to the realization my car will never be able to drive by itself.

jrflowers 3y ago

I’ve had several conversations on this very website wherein people declined to ballpark the number of deaths caused by self-driving cars that would be unacceptable in pursuit of the imminent self-driving utopia, which they declined to describe or make a guess to when (or if) it might come to be. There is a very vocal group of people that are adamant that the ability to fully dedicate themselves to perineum sunning along the I-5 corridor is a societal Good that eclipses any amount of loss of life, and certainly any other safety or privacy concerns.