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OT: there is a comment [1] by one NonNefarious which seems to have been killed instantly (dead 7 minutes after posting). The comment itself seems to be relevant

OT: there is a comment [1] by one NonNefarious which seems to have been killed instantly (dead 7 minutes after posting). The comment itself seems to be relevant, free from the sort of claims and/or language which tend to get comments killed on this site but is was still killed. Checking this user's comment history [2] it becomes clear that all his comments in the last 11 months have been killed. The user has positive 'karma' so this is not the cause of his comments' untimely demise. What is the mechanism behind this killing spree? Is this an example of shadowbanning (which this site is not supposed to employ according to Dang), does someone have it out against this user and put a flag/downvote bot on his account? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37571450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37571450 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=NonNefarious https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=NonNefarious

ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
Thanks for bringing this up. I was told that there's no "shadow banning," which is obviously not true. There's also no excuse for letting people type out a lengthy comment or question and THEN rejecting it with a throttling response. If we can't reply, the Reply button should be disabled. It's deliberately and monumentally rude.
helf 3y ago
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mixmastamyk 3y ago
It happens pretty often, a lot of accounts are penalized for not being sufficiently devout to HN guidelines. You'll find most of their comments are fine, even helpful. But, have a bad day, an unpopular opinion, or be rude once in a while and your account will be penalized, whether by automated rules or targeted by moderator. Another example: One day dang didn't like one of my comments and my account has been saddled ever since... I can't post more than three times per three hours or so. Otherwise it says "slow down!" If it told me ahead of time it would be OK, but it waits until I've written a lengthy post, only to lose it on submit. :D :-/
- NonNefarious 3y ago
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- phone8675309 3y ago
  I get hit by this as well, so I just comment less, which is probably the intended result.
- helf 3y ago
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CommieBobDole 3y ago
Looking at the profile, the user was banned by dang on 2022-10-07 for "repeatedly breaking the site guidelines" in the comments for the submission "JetBrains Ring UI". It looks like what precipitated this was the user made a bunch of user-flagged comments starting with the evergreen "why is this on HN" and then arguing with the people who replied, eventually calling them 'shills' and 'children', at which point dang replied indicating that the account was now banned.
- the_third_wave 3y ago
  Well, the account is clearly not banned given that it still actively posts messages. It may be that the account is shadowbanned but I have been told by a reliable source - Dang - that HN does not employ shadowbanning. This is why I am surprised to see how anything posted by this user seems to be dead on or close to arrival. I can only assume that HN does indeed employ shadowbanning and that my information on that front is incorrect.
  - CommieBobDole 3y ago
    Posts from banned users show up as 'dead', which means you have to turn 'showdead' on in your settings to see them; they are invisible to users who have not activated this setting. Maybe there's another kind of ban that prevents posting entirely, I don't know. I don't think that dang claims that there is no shadowbanning on HN, or at least he no longer does if he has in the past; the post from him below details who gets shadowbanned and who doesn't. Basically, users with a posting history get the same ban as spammers, but they're told that they've been banned, while spammers are not. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37137747 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37137747
    - NonNefarious 3y ago
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ShadowBanThis01 3y ago

Thanks for bringing this up. I was told that there's no "shadow banning," which is obviously not true. There's also no excuse for letting people type out a lengthy comment or question and THEN rejecting it with a throttling response. If we can't reply, the Reply button should be disabled. It's deliberately and monumentally rude.

helf 3y ago

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mixmastamyk 3y ago

It happens pretty often, a lot of accounts are penalized for not being sufficiently devout to HN guidelines. You'll find most of their comments are fine, even helpful. But, have a bad day, an unpopular opinion, or be rude once in a while and your account will be penalized, whether by automated rules or targeted by moderator. Another example: One day dang didn't like one of my comments and my account has been saddled ever since... I can't post more than three times per three hours or so. Otherwise it says "slow down!" If it told me ahead of time it would be OK, but it waits until I've written a lengthy post, only to lose it on submit. :D :-/

NonNefarious 3y ago
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phone8675309 3y ago
I get hit by this as well, so I just comment less, which is probably the intended result.
helf 3y ago
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CommieBobDole 3y ago

Looking at the profile, the user was banned by dang on 2022-10-07 for "repeatedly breaking the site guidelines" in the comments for the submission "JetBrains Ring UI". It looks like what precipitated this was the user made a bunch of user-flagged comments starting with the evergreen "why is this on HN" and then arguing with the people who replied, eventually calling them 'shills' and 'children', at which point dang replied indicating that the account was now banned.

the_third_wave 3y ago
Well, the account is clearly not banned given that it still actively posts messages. It may be that the account is shadowbanned but I have been told by a reliable source - Dang - that HN does not employ shadowbanning. This is why I am surprised to see how anything posted by this user seems to be dead on or close to arrival. I can only assume that HN does indeed employ shadowbanning and that my information on that front is incorrect.
- CommieBobDole 3y ago
  Posts from banned users show up as 'dead', which means you have to turn 'showdead' on in your settings to see them; they are invisible to users who have not activated this setting. Maybe there's another kind of ban that prevents posting entirely, I don't know. I don't think that dang claims that there is no shadowbanning on HN, or at least he no longer does if he has in the past; the post from him below details who gets shadowbanned and who doesn't. Basically, users with a posting history get the same ban as spammers, but they're told that they've been banned, while spammers are not. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37137747 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37137747
  - NonNefarious 3y ago
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