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For migrants under 24/7 surveillance, the UK feels like ‘an outside prison’

9 points by vinnyglennon 3y ago

hkt 3y ago
"The way the government treats refugees is very instructive because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it."
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  Why even bother to immigrate to the UK in this day and age? Is it really a better lifestyle? On the basis of human rights violations, it is rapidly becoming a worse place to live than many of the places the people of the UK have been bombing into oblivion with impunity, creating the refugee crises in the first place ..
  - tebbers 3y ago
    I wasn't aware the UK (or anyone for that matter) has been bombing Albania recently.
    - boffinAudio 3y ago
      In 2021, the top five most common countries of nationality of people who applied for asylum in the UK were Iran, Iraq, Eritrea, Albania and Syria. Of all refugees resettled in the UK from January 2010 to December 2021, around 70% were Syrian citizens. ... https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/british-forces-air-strikes-in-iraq-monthly-list https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/british-forces-ai...
    - jjgreen 3y ago
      According the UNHCR [1] The top nationalities of people applying for asylum were Syrian (75,615), Afghan (49,905), Venezuelan (19,235), Colombian (18,160), Pakistani (17,960), Iraqi (16,420), and Turkish (13,845). We bombed a couple of those ... and no Albania. [1] https://www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-uk https://www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-uk
      - flir 3y ago
        From your link: "Albania was the top nationality claiming asylum in the UK in the year ending September 2022 (13,650 applications)." Full text of the paragraph you partially quoted: "In the year ending September 2021, EU+ (EU, EEA and Switzerland) countries have seen a 4% fall in asylum applications, receiving 418,495 first time asylum applications from non-EU citizens. The top nationalities of people applying for asylum were Syrian (75,615), Afghan (49,905), Venezuelan (19,235), Colombian (18,160), Pakistani (17,960), Iraqi (16,420), and Turkish (13,845)." I thought your numbers were a bit high for the UK.
        jjgreen 3y ago
        I stand corrected, thanks
- davidguetta 3y ago
  Let me introduce you to 2000 years of history
kawhah 3y ago
The whole project is futile and serves only to placate anti-immigrant feeling. Tags do not prevent someone from absconding - they could simply remove the tag and disappear, into those parts of society where people are able to live without paperwork. The only reason tags work is because most petty or white-collar criminals have no interest in disappearing, and can be easily found if they do. They only serve to enforce bail conditions such as not going out in the evening.
DrThunder 3y ago
Here's an idea - control your border better and quit letting everyone in. Then.... you won't need to put ankle bracelets on them. It's almost like you can't support the entire world and they need to fix their own problems.
- croisillon 3y ago
  "their own problems" like post-colonization?
  - DrThunder 3y ago
    Ahh yes because they were living in literal utopia beforehand. Child sacrifice, murdering, robbery, rape.... none of those existed before the evIL wHiteY ChRIstIAn came. EVERY single race, culture, group etc. on this planet has been subject to some horrific event. Stop making excuses and grow up. Placing blame on something that happened centuries ago for you current plight is about as childish and ignorant as you can get.
- imhoguy 3y ago
  > quit letting everyone in What if they are already in, especially by international waters? Force to walk the plank?
  - DrThunder 3y ago
    If by plank, you mean sending them back then 100% yes. Acceptance is only enablement and reassurance that you can expect them to continue acting the same way.
  - the_third_wave 3y ago
    Australia has a solution to that problem in the form of an island where those who attempt to enter the country illegally are kept while awaiting deportation. The message is clear, do not try to enter the country illegally, you will NOT be allowed to stay. Combine that with a functioning legal migration policy and make sure to enforce the illegal migration ban rigorously. Just as important is to make sure the message is spread widely in those countries where traffickers operate so their promises of a land of milk and honey where migrants get a house and car and wife without ever having to lift a hand are dispelled. Make clear that the practice of sending 'anchor babies' (underage children/minors who are sent to gain residence permits for themselves - which tends to be easier for unaccompanied children - who are supposed to then turn around and invite their entire families to join them) will not succeed by either finding their families and reuniting those children with them or - if the family can not be found or disavows kinship in hope of using the child in the aforementioned way - by denying the family the right to enter the country. Also, catch the traffickers and prosecute them, relieve them of their ill gotten gains. In a way the fight against modern traffickers resembles the fight against Barbary pirates in the early 1800s [1] in that the pirates needed to be defeated to put a halt to their activities. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars
schnebbau 3y ago
So the guy in the story, Sam, was aware that if he committed a crime he could be deported because of his non-citizen status. Then he committed a crime. Surprised pikachu at what happened next.
- WirelessGigabit 3y ago
  Semi-related: Eyes on the poor: Cameras, facial recognition watch over public housing https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/05/16/surveillance-cameras-public-housing/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/05/16/surveilla... https://archive.ph/ffGdV https://archive.ph/ffGdV
bigfryo 3y ago
I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that most of the British citizens don't want them there

9 points by vinnyglennon 3y ago

hkt 3y ago

"The way the government treats refugees is very instructive because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it."

boffinAudio 3y ago
Why even bother to immigrate to the UK in this day and age? Is it really a better lifestyle? On the basis of human rights violations, it is rapidly becoming a worse place to live than many of the places the people of the UK have been bombing into oblivion with impunity, creating the refugee crises in the first place ..
- tebbers 3y ago
  I wasn't aware the UK (or anyone for that matter) has been bombing Albania recently.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    In 2021, the top five most common countries of nationality of people who applied for asylum in the UK were Iran, Iraq, Eritrea, Albania and Syria. Of all refugees resettled in the UK from January 2010 to December 2021, around 70% were Syrian citizens. ... https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/british-forces-air-strikes-in-iraq-monthly-list https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/british-forces-ai...
  - jjgreen 3y ago
    According the UNHCR [1] The top nationalities of people applying for asylum were Syrian (75,615), Afghan (49,905), Venezuelan (19,235), Colombian (18,160), Pakistani (17,960), Iraqi (16,420), and Turkish (13,845). We bombed a couple of those ... and no Albania. [1] https://www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-uk https://www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-uk
    - flir 3y ago
      From your link: "Albania was the top nationality claiming asylum in the UK in the year ending September 2022 (13,650 applications)." Full text of the paragraph you partially quoted: "In the year ending September 2021, EU+ (EU, EEA and Switzerland) countries have seen a 4% fall in asylum applications, receiving 418,495 first time asylum applications from non-EU citizens. The top nationalities of people applying for asylum were Syrian (75,615), Afghan (49,905), Venezuelan (19,235), Colombian (18,160), Pakistani (17,960), Iraqi (16,420), and Turkish (13,845)." I thought your numbers were a bit high for the UK.
      - jjgreen 3y ago
        I stand corrected, thanks
davidguetta 3y ago
Let me introduce you to 2000 years of history

kawhah 3y ago

The whole project is futile and serves only to placate anti-immigrant feeling. Tags do not prevent someone from absconding - they could simply remove the tag and disappear, into those parts of society where people are able to live without paperwork. The only reason tags work is because most petty or white-collar criminals have no interest in disappearing, and can be easily found if they do. They only serve to enforce bail conditions such as not going out in the evening.

DrThunder 3y ago

Here's an idea - control your border better and quit letting everyone in. Then.... you won't need to put ankle bracelets on them. It's almost like you can't support the entire world and they need to fix their own problems.

croisillon 3y ago
"their own problems" like post-colonization?
- DrThunder 3y ago
  Ahh yes because they were living in literal utopia beforehand. Child sacrifice, murdering, robbery, rape.... none of those existed before the evIL wHiteY ChRIstIAn came. EVERY single race, culture, group etc. on this planet has been subject to some horrific event. Stop making excuses and grow up. Placing blame on something that happened centuries ago for you current plight is about as childish and ignorant as you can get.
imhoguy 3y ago
> quit letting everyone in What if they are already in, especially by international waters? Force to walk the plank?
- DrThunder 3y ago
  If by plank, you mean sending them back then 100% yes. Acceptance is only enablement and reassurance that you can expect them to continue acting the same way.
- the_third_wave 3y ago
  Australia has a solution to that problem in the form of an island where those who attempt to enter the country illegally are kept while awaiting deportation. The message is clear, do not try to enter the country illegally, you will NOT be allowed to stay. Combine that with a functioning legal migration policy and make sure to enforce the illegal migration ban rigorously. Just as important is to make sure the message is spread widely in those countries where traffickers operate so their promises of a land of milk and honey where migrants get a house and car and wife without ever having to lift a hand are dispelled. Make clear that the practice of sending 'anchor babies' (underage children/minors who are sent to gain residence permits for themselves - which tends to be easier for unaccompanied children - who are supposed to then turn around and invite their entire families to join them) will not succeed by either finding their families and reuniting those children with them or - if the family can not be found or disavows kinship in hope of using the child in the aforementioned way - by denying the family the right to enter the country. Also, catch the traffickers and prosecute them, relieve them of their ill gotten gains. In a way the fight against modern traffickers resembles the fight against Barbary pirates in the early 1800s [1] in that the pirates needed to be defeated to put a halt to their activities. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars

schnebbau 3y ago

So the guy in the story, Sam, was aware that if he committed a crime he could be deported because of his non-citizen status. Then he committed a crime. Surprised pikachu at what happened next.

WirelessGigabit 3y ago
Semi-related: Eyes on the poor: Cameras, facial recognition watch over public housing https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/05/16/surveillance-cameras-public-housing/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/05/16/surveilla... https://archive.ph/ffGdV https://archive.ph/ffGdV

bigfryo 3y ago

I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that most of the British citizens don't want them there