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THE MAN IN THE ARENA It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them b
by vuln 3y ago
THE MAN IN THE ARENA
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
Theodore Roosevelt
Excerpt from the specch "Citizenship In A Republic"
delivered at The Sorbonne
Paris, France
April 23, 1910
- ramesh31 3y ago>Theodore Roosevelt Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic" delivered at The Sorbonne Paris, France April 23, 1910 Yeah, he was also a rich guy born with a silver spoon, who never faced any actual adversity in life, and so spent his time fetishizing those who do, while LARPing as one of them in controlled environments. Read into his whole trip through South America; it's an absolute disgrace. The attitude you illustrated above led to the death of his guide (and almost his son) and him having to be hauled out of the jungle by natives on a stretcher for weeks. Even the charge up San Juan hill is pure mythology. The enemy position had already been cleared by the 10th cavalry, and they were waiting for Roosevelt at the top. The guy is a complete work of fiction as he is taught to school children these days. Point being, these romantic notions of life have very little bearing on reality. Criticism is valid. And doing dumb things is indeed many times just dumb.
- hfuyf65 3y agoHe almost died as well. It fits well in the quote op listed. Oddly, it even addresses your critical response: that it is easy to be a Tuesday morning quarterback.
- 1970-01-01 3y agoHe was literally shot during a speech but continued speaking for an entire hour while bleeding out. Sounds like actual adversity to me. You're free to try that and prove history wrong. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/theodore-roosevelt-shot-in-milwaukee https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/theodore-rooseve...
- ramesh31 3y agoAnd my entire point being that that was dumb. It doesn't make him tough. It makes him an egomaniacal idiot to have not sought treatment.
- 1970-01-01 3y ago>It doesn't make him tough. I guess your definition and mine are incompatible. The forensic evidence is quite clear: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Political_address_by_Theodore_Roosevelt_through_which_the_bullet_passed_when_the_attempt_was_made_to_assassinate_him_at_Milwaukee_in_1912.pdf&page=2 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Political_ad...
- r053bud 3y agoGod forbid you fact check American mythology!
- seryoiupfurds 3y agoLazy dismissal based on broad ideological grandstanding isn't "fact checking", although sadly many "fact checkers" don't seem to understand that.
- r053bud 3y agoNo, I know. I needed to drop a /s in there and realized I'm not on Reddit.
- vuln 3y agoCool man. I appreciate your opinion. I also agree that it's crucial to critically examine historical figures and not idealize them blindly, it's also essential to avoid oversimplifying or misrepresenting their lives. Theodore Roosevelt certainly had privileges, but it would be unfair to dismiss his contributions and experiences entirely. The challenges he faced and his contributions to American history, both domestically and internationally, are more complex than a single perspective or narrative. Dismissing an entire life based on a few events can be as misleading as uncritical adulation.
- spdgg 3y ago> Yeah, he was also a rich guy born with a silver spoon, who never faced any actual adversity in life, and so spent his time fetishizing those who do, while LARPing as one of them in controlled environments. I am all for being critical of class-based inequalities but having resources does not exempt one from adversity. Very few people would consider someone who spent their whole childhood in debilitating sickness, someone who lost their wife and mother 2 days apart, rode western with cowboys through a winter in North Dakota as someone LARPing in controlled environments. Not all of this is romantic ideology. One can be born with a silver spoon and still experience the realities of life, the trauma of losing loved ones, prolonged sickness, etc. Saying that he "never faced any actual adversity" is black and white while being arguably wrong. The Edmund Morris trilogy gives a good overview of his life for those interested.
- 93po 3y agoThe adversities you're listing were extremely common back then (and even today) and not anything especially noteworthy
- hotnfresh 3y agoWikipedia, at least, reports something very different for San Juan Hill. WP says the battle was over a ridge with a couple major peaks, and that the highest was indeed cleared and occupied by other soldiers the day before, but the following day Roosevelt’s troops (among others) did face real resistance taking the other major peak. It reads like the first day was rather more intense, but the second wasn’t exactly a cake-walk, and it definitely doesn’t read like they just walked up to an already-taken position.