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> no successful country in the whole continent Botswana is reasonably successful, and I chalk that up to less focus on revenge plotics (the idea of making amen

> no successful country in the whole continent Botswana is reasonably successful, and I chalk that up to less focus on revenge plotics (the idea of making amends died alongside Mandela in South Africa). What's truly heartbreaking is how almost the whole continent has been strong-armed into colonialism. In South Africa, that's Anglo-Plat. Zimbabwe (my birth country) has been completely colonialized by the Chinese and is being stripped of everything (with no expense, much of the beauty of the country is gone - e.g. the Chimanimani mountain range). Revenge isn't worth it.

OneDonOne 3y ago
If any colonialism is being done, it certainly is not being done by China. The "China.Debt Trap" nonsense has been.debunked too many times to count. As cited below. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/ch... https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/08/debunking-myth-debt-trap-diplomacy https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/08/debunking-myth-debt-tra... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QDEWwSkP0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QDEWwSkP0 (Bloomberg) https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19480881.2023.2195280 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19480881.2023.2... (From 2023) Even where I am,CHEC is used as a local political tool, not the other way around.
- zamalek 3y ago
  I arrived at these conclusions independently while visiting my family who still live there. I had no idea the concept was a thing, or that there was debunking.
- btreecat 3y ago
  TIL, thanks for the links
tibbydudeza 3y ago
There was no revenge - BEE was an attempt at restorative justice but unlike Botswana with it's small population that is less that Cape Town the cards were badly stacked. It is easy to uplift 1.5 million than 30 million people. Yes poor stupid policies and very mediocre implementation and endemic corruption under the govt you can blame but I don't think how anybody else could solve this horrendous mess.
- zamalek 3y ago
  I did not mention BEE at all - I fundamentally agree with it. I am talking about the day-to-day approach that is taken with politics in Africa.

OneDonOne 3y ago

If any colonialism is being done, it certainly is not being done by China. The "China.Debt Trap" nonsense has been.debunked too many times to count. As cited below. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/ch... https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/08/debunking-myth-debt-trap-diplomacy https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/08/debunking-myth-debt-tra... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QDEWwSkP0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QDEWwSkP0 (Bloomberg) https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19480881.2023.2195280 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19480881.2023.2... (From 2023) Even where I am,CHEC is used as a local political tool, not the other way around.

zamalek 3y ago
I arrived at these conclusions independently while visiting my family who still live there. I had no idea the concept was a thing, or that there was debunking.
btreecat 3y ago
TIL, thanks for the links

tibbydudeza 3y ago

There was no revenge - BEE was an attempt at restorative justice but unlike Botswana with it's small population that is less that Cape Town the cards were badly stacked. It is easy to uplift 1.5 million than 30 million people. Yes poor stupid policies and very mediocre implementation and endemic corruption under the govt you can blame but I don't think how anybody else could solve this horrendous mess.

zamalek 3y ago
I did not mention BEE at all - I fundamentally agree with it. I am talking about the day-to-day approach that is taken with politics in Africa.