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>Why deceptively package the javascript as an app when you can just put it on a website? A desktop app based on Electron-Chromium runtime has more integration

by jasode 3y ago

>Why deceptively package the javascript as an app when you can just put it on a website? A desktop app based on Electron-Chromium runtime has more integration options with the operating system. E.g. file system access, taskbar/Dock icon and notifications, runs in the background, etc. If a developer were to create a 100% pure web url app running locally on https://127.0.0.1/foobarapp.html https://127.0.0.1/foobarapp.html -- ... they'd quickly run into browser's limitations. For example, the sandboxed security model won't let the Javascript inside of foobarapp.html iterate all files of the local file system. And Mozilla's new filesystem api isn't really available yet: https://caniuse.com/native-filesystem-api https://caniuse.com/native-filesystem-api Not sure if there's any "deception" here. Developers just want to write desktop apps leveraging their existing Javascript knowledge instead of learning C++/C#/Swift for each platform and trying to manage feature parity in separate code bases.

jeroenhd 3y ago
That's great, but I don't know any Electron app that needs file system or task bar access. Notifications are a solved problem already and installing web apps from the browser is just a click away in all browsers (except Firefox), after which they run completely offline. Chrome added a file system API for some reason, but every Electron based application I've used just used the standard <input type=file> prompt and it worked absolutely fine. Even things like live screen recording and P2P VoIP can be done from the browser now. I'm sure there are plenty of applications that need Electron, but I'm having a hard time coming up with any.
- jasode 3y ago
  >That's great, but I don't know any Electron app that needs file system or task bar access. I first ran Zulip chat client in a Chrome web browser tab. But I often missed replying to new messages because I always forgot to manually cycle over to the Zulip tab to check for them. After a few days of fighting that limitation, I gave up on Zulip in the web browser tab and installed the desktop version of Zulip (Electron runtime). Now new unread messages trigger a red dot on the taskbar. The desktop version is just easier to use.
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    Does Zulip not add these red dots to the favicon? Because every chat application I've used does. I've got a bunch of them pinned exactly for this purpose.
    - terpimost 3y ago
      There is unread counter in the favicon
cxr 3y ago
> If a developer were to create a 100% pure web url app running locally on https://127.0.0.1/foobarapp.html https://127.0.0.1/foobarapp.html -- ... they'd quickly run into browser's limitations. For example, the sandboxed security model won't let the Javascript inside of foobarapp.html iterate all files of the local file system. If a developer has the app run locally on 127.0.0.1, they already have the capability to enumerate files (without the Web browser's cooperation).

by jasode 3y ago

jeroenhd 3y ago

That's great, but I don't know any Electron app that needs file system or task bar access. Notifications are a solved problem already and installing web apps from the browser is just a click away in all browsers (except Firefox), after which they run completely offline. Chrome added a file system API for some reason, but every Electron based application I've used just used the standard <input type=file> prompt and it worked absolutely fine. Even things like live screen recording and P2P VoIP can be done from the browser now. I'm sure there are plenty of applications that need Electron, but I'm having a hard time coming up with any.

jasode 3y ago
>That's great, but I don't know any Electron app that needs file system or task bar access. I first ran Zulip chat client in a Chrome web browser tab. But I often missed replying to new messages because I always forgot to manually cycle over to the Zulip tab to check for them. After a few days of fighting that limitation, I gave up on Zulip in the web browser tab and installed the desktop version of Zulip (Electron runtime). Now new unread messages trigger a red dot on the taskbar. The desktop version is just easier to use.
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  Does Zulip not add these red dots to the favicon? Because every chat application I've used does. I've got a bunch of them pinned exactly for this purpose.
  - terpimost 3y ago
    There is unread counter in the favicon

cxr 3y ago

> If a developer were to create a 100% pure web url app running locally on https://127.0.0.1/foobarapp.html https://127.0.0.1/foobarapp.html -- ... they'd quickly run into browser's limitations. For example, the sandboxed security model won't let the Javascript inside of foobarapp.html iterate all files of the local file system. If a developer has the app run locally on 127.0.0.1, they already have the capability to enumerate files (without the Web browser's cooperation).