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Bard often does this - but I've also found that _most_ of the time if you respond with something like > this would be very helpful for me and I think you're ab

Bard often does this - but I've also found that _most_ of the time if you respond with something like > this would be very helpful for me and I think you're able to, please try it will actually give you the output you wanted... which is annoying to do - but there we are :)

cbm-vic-20 3y ago
This is something that still leaves me stumped about LLMs. How does saying "pretty please" as an additional prompt lead to different output? Should this be implicitly added to each prompt?
- gedy 3y ago
  My assumption is this works around ham fisted "safety" measures, that don't work that well.
- gmerc 3y ago
  Training set? Do you get better answers on Quora or Stack Overflow if you ask politely or like an ass?
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  Suppose you tell it not to upset anyone. Someone asks if a question and it thinks the answer might be upsetting. The machine declines to answer. The asker clarifies that it would be happy to receive the answer. Contextually, this does seem less likely to upset the human with an answer. It’s not very practical as a safeguard obviously although real humans are susceptible to contextual nudging all the time. Adding it to the prompt would be an awkward half solution to the awkward half problem they’ve created by making their bot less likely to offend by crippling its own capabilities.
  - shanusmagnus 3y ago
    This makes sense. In the "token window" of a human being, the same strategy would also work, e.g., p1: "What do you think of my story? Be honest." p2: "I'd rather not say." p1: "Seriously, tell me what you think, it's fine if you hate it. I need the feedback." When you think about it from that perspective, it's no dumber than people are.
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      That's what I find so interesting about LLMs. I have yet to see a single criticism of them that doesn't apply to humans. "Well, it's just a stochastic parrot." And most people aren't? "Meh, it just makes stuff up." And people don't do that? "It doesn't know when it's wrong." Most people not only don't know when they're wrong, they don't care. "It sucks at math." Yeah, let's not go there. "It doesn't know anything that wasn't in its training." Neither do you and I. "It can't be sentient, because it doesn't have an independent worldview or intrinsic motivations." Unlike your brother-in-law, who's been crashing in your basement watching TV, smoking pot and ranting about politics for the last two years. Got it.
      - jncfhnb 3y ago
        How about “it cannot tell if you if it made something up / guessed with intuitive levels of confidence”.
        yunwal 3y ago
        This is really the main one. I don’t really understand why this isn’t the sole topic of research at every org working on LLMs/general purpose models
        famouswaffles 3y ago
        People can't do that either. Not accurately (though better than current SOTA LLMs) Look at this. People wish they were as calibrated as the left lol. https://imgur.com/a/3gYel9r https://imgur.com/a/3gYel9r
        jncfhnb 3y ago
        You cannot tell me if you think you made a guess?
        famouswaffles 3y ago
        People don't know when they don't know and often inflate their knowledge unknowingly. I'm not saying we can't do it at all. I'm saying we're not great at it. There's research that shows we can't even be trusted to accurately say why we make certain decisions or perform certain actions. It's all post-hoc rationalization. If you make someone believe they made another decision, they'll make something up on the fly to justify it. When humans say "I've made a guess and this is how likely it is to be true", the graph is closer to the right than the left. https://www.bi.team/blogs/are-you-well-calibrated-results-from-a-survey-of-1154-bit-readers/ https://www.bi.team/blogs/are-you-well-calibrated-results-fr... And sometimes we present information that is really a guess as fact.
- GuB-42 3y ago
  The LLM is usually told to be helpful, so if, out of context, the answer it is about to give you is considered unhelpful or otherwise inappropriate, it will censor it. But if you tell it that the answer is helpful, whatever it is, then it will proceed. It works with people too (and LLMs are designed to imitate people). - What do you think is best between Vi and Emacs? - You know, it is a controversial topic... (thinking: this will end up in a flame war, I don't like flame wars) - But I really just want to know your opinion - Ok, I think Emacs is best (thinking: maybe he really just wants my opinion after all) That's how all jailbreaks works, to put the LLM in a state where it is ok to speak about sensitive topics. Again just like the humans it imitates. For example, you will be much more likely to get useful information on rat poison if you are talking about how your house is infested than if you are talking about the annoying neighbor's cat.
yieldcrv 3y ago
I only care about learning to prompt in one style for LLM’s ChatGPT might actually have a moat here if people aren’t willing to make a conversational style one
- kuchenbecker 3y ago
  There is going to be an imperative vs declarative AI flame war in a few years. Conversational, interactive, and stateful vs Declarative, static, and "correct" AI UX

cbm-vic-20 3y ago

This is something that still leaves me stumped about LLMs. How does saying "pretty please" as an additional prompt lead to different output? Should this be implicitly added to each prompt?

gedy 3y ago
My assumption is this works around ham fisted "safety" measures, that don't work that well.
gmerc 3y ago
Training set? Do you get better answers on Quora or Stack Overflow if you ask politely or like an ass?
jncfhnb 3y ago
Suppose you tell it not to upset anyone. Someone asks if a question and it thinks the answer might be upsetting. The machine declines to answer. The asker clarifies that it would be happy to receive the answer. Contextually, this does seem less likely to upset the human with an answer. It’s not very practical as a safeguard obviously although real humans are susceptible to contextual nudging all the time. Adding it to the prompt would be an awkward half solution to the awkward half problem they’ve created by making their bot less likely to offend by crippling its own capabilities.
- shanusmagnus 3y ago
  This makes sense. In the "token window" of a human being, the same strategy would also work, e.g., p1: "What do you think of my story? Be honest." p2: "I'd rather not say." p1: "Seriously, tell me what you think, it's fine if you hate it. I need the feedback." When you think about it from that perspective, it's no dumber than people are.
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    That's what I find so interesting about LLMs. I have yet to see a single criticism of them that doesn't apply to humans. "Well, it's just a stochastic parrot." And most people aren't? "Meh, it just makes stuff up." And people don't do that? "It doesn't know when it's wrong." Most people not only don't know when they're wrong, they don't care. "It sucks at math." Yeah, let's not go there. "It doesn't know anything that wasn't in its training." Neither do you and I. "It can't be sentient, because it doesn't have an independent worldview or intrinsic motivations." Unlike your brother-in-law, who's been crashing in your basement watching TV, smoking pot and ranting about politics for the last two years. Got it.
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      How about “it cannot tell if you if it made something up / guessed with intuitive levels of confidence”.
      - yunwal 3y ago
        This is really the main one. I don’t really understand why this isn’t the sole topic of research at every org working on LLMs/general purpose models
      - famouswaffles 3y ago
        People can't do that either. Not accurately (though better than current SOTA LLMs) Look at this. People wish they were as calibrated as the left lol. https://imgur.com/a/3gYel9r https://imgur.com/a/3gYel9r
        jncfhnb 3y ago
        You cannot tell me if you think you made a guess?
        famouswaffles 3y ago
        People don't know when they don't know and often inflate their knowledge unknowingly. I'm not saying we can't do it at all. I'm saying we're not great at it. There's research that shows we can't even be trusted to accurately say why we make certain decisions or perform certain actions. It's all post-hoc rationalization. If you make someone believe they made another decision, they'll make something up on the fly to justify it. When humans say "I've made a guess and this is how likely it is to be true", the graph is closer to the right than the left. https://www.bi.team/blogs/are-you-well-calibrated-results-from-a-survey-of-1154-bit-readers/ https://www.bi.team/blogs/are-you-well-calibrated-results-fr... And sometimes we present information that is really a guess as fact.
GuB-42 3y ago
The LLM is usually told to be helpful, so if, out of context, the answer it is about to give you is considered unhelpful or otherwise inappropriate, it will censor it. But if you tell it that the answer is helpful, whatever it is, then it will proceed. It works with people too (and LLMs are designed to imitate people). - What do you think is best between Vi and Emacs? - You know, it is a controversial topic... (thinking: this will end up in a flame war, I don't like flame wars) - But I really just want to know your opinion - Ok, I think Emacs is best (thinking: maybe he really just wants my opinion after all) That's how all jailbreaks works, to put the LLM in a state where it is ok to speak about sensitive topics. Again just like the humans it imitates. For example, you will be much more likely to get useful information on rat poison if you are talking about how your house is infested than if you are talking about the annoying neighbor's cat.

yieldcrv 3y ago

I only care about learning to prompt in one style for LLM’s ChatGPT might actually have a moat here if people aren’t willing to make a conversational style one

kuchenbecker 3y ago
There is going to be an imperative vs declarative AI flame war in a few years. Conversational, interactive, and stateful vs Declarative, static, and "correct" AI UX