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Do you know how many failed societies had the arrogance of thinking that way?
by Horffupolde 3y ago
Do you know how many failed societies had the arrogance of thinking that way?
- mecha_ghidorah 3y agoHistorically speaking there is an overwhelming number of failed religious societies than there is failed secularist ones
- Horffupolde 3y agoThere are no secular long-standing societies but there are religious ones.
- mecha_ghidorah 3y agoSure, but there has also basically been no secular societies to speak of at all until relatively recently... Like I'd love to see you name as many as you know just to see how many you get beyond "Soviet Union", which had a bunch of issues that would lead to it's collapse beyond the lack of religion. It seems unfair to say "oh there hasn't ever been long standing secular societies, therefore something about secularism causes social breakdown" when barely any secular societies have ever even existed
- Horffupolde 3y agoI’d argue that Greeks were about as secular as modern Canada or America are. There was the concept of religion but it wasn’t relevant. There was also a push towards leaving religion behind as evidenced by philosophers.
- pixl97 3y agoThe problem you have here is one of conflation of causality. Successful religions are a self sustaining meme. "You must have kids", "You must teach your kids the religion", "Attack/destroy/other anything that interferes with the first two directives". You're not successful because religion is great or whatever, the success came from the prerogative of "religious reproduction".