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I resent having to step in and say something here, but the way you describe things, I effectively don't exist. I read the app code. I write stdlib code. I grokk

I resent having to step in and say something here, but the way you describe things, I effectively don't exist. I read the app code. I write stdlib code. I grokk every line of every library I use. I share alike. I'm not saying change your ways, just consider being a bit less flippant when you say things like "IMHO, at some point, it's just about trust". As someone who seeks to profit from this, that's about the worst example you can give a prospective user like me. My face is hot just having to type this.

unshavedyak 3y ago
Also, FOSS has a lot more chances to have eyes on it. I definitely don't read every line, and i definitely don't expect anyone else to - but i do expect more eyes to be on it, to raise questions, spot interesting behavior, etc. If you see a questionable network IO you can look in the source to investigate, etc. It has value even if every person doesn't individually read every line.
carlosjobim 3y ago
You're at most a prospective user, never a prospective customer. Developers deserve to get paid for what they create, and those who don't want to pay have no right to make any demands. Maybe your face is getting hot from trying to shame somebody into giving their work away for free?
- cztomsik 3y ago
  Thank you for your kind words, I couldn't say it better.
sieabahlpark 3y ago
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cztomsik 3y ago
> IMHO, at some point, it's just about trust Yes, but you are also literally going to multiply several billions numbers together and pray for a random outcome. I don't know, maybe some middle ground would be feasible - like have the server-side part open-source, because that's the only part where anything harmful might be (and it's also fairly thin BTW). But no matter what, the project needs to be profitable for me, sorry to say that, but let's be a bit realistic, you wouldn't work for free either.

unshavedyak 3y ago

Also, FOSS has a lot more chances to have eyes on it. I definitely don't read every line, and i definitely don't expect anyone else to - but i do expect more eyes to be on it, to raise questions, spot interesting behavior, etc. If you see a questionable network IO you can look in the source to investigate, etc. It has value even if every person doesn't individually read every line.

carlosjobim 3y ago

You're at most a prospective user, never a prospective customer. Developers deserve to get paid for what they create, and those who don't want to pay have no right to make any demands. Maybe your face is getting hot from trying to shame somebody into giving their work away for free?

cztomsik 3y ago
Thank you for your kind words, I couldn't say it better.

sieabahlpark 3y ago

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cztomsik 3y ago

> IMHO, at some point, it's just about trust Yes, but you are also literally going to multiply several billions numbers together and pray for a random outcome. I don't know, maybe some middle ground would be feasible - like have the server-side part open-source, because that's the only part where anything harmful might be (and it's also fairly thin BTW). But no matter what, the project needs to be profitable for me, sorry to say that, but let's be a bit realistic, you wouldn't work for free either.