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Follow the religion of your father and go to their place of worship.

pixl97 3y ago
Or you move society forward instead of backwards and do something social while avoiding all the legacy made up bullshit from the past.
- Horffupolde 3y ago
  Do you know how many failed societies had the arrogance of thinking that way?
  - mecha_ghidorah 3y ago
    Historically speaking there is an overwhelming number of failed religious societies than there is failed secularist ones
    - Horffupolde 3y ago
      There are no secular long-standing societies but there are religious ones.
      - mecha_ghidorah 3y ago
        Sure, but there has also basically been no secular societies to speak of at all until relatively recently... Like I'd love to see you name as many as you know just to see how many you get beyond "Soviet Union", which had a bunch of issues that would lead to it's collapse beyond the lack of religion. It seems unfair to say "oh there hasn't ever been long standing secular societies, therefore something about secularism causes social breakdown" when barely any secular societies have ever even existed
        Horffupolde 3y ago
        I’d argue that Greeks were about as secular as modern Canada or America are. There was the concept of religion but it wasn’t relevant. There was also a push towards leaving religion behind as evidenced by philosophers.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    The problem you have here is one of conflation of causality. Successful religions are a self sustaining meme. "You must have kids", "You must teach your kids the religion", "Attack/destroy/other anything that interferes with the first two directives". You're not successful because religion is great or whatever, the success came from the prerogative of "religious reproduction".
corobo 3y ago
To the pub!
johnnyanmac 3y ago
So... non-existence?
jefurii 3y ago
This isn't the easy solution you might think. While some churches/denominations/whatever may get more progressive, others grow more conservative. The place your dad went to may not be a place even he recognizes any more.

Or you move society forward instead of backwards and do something social while avoiding all the legacy made up bullshit from the past.

Horffupolde 3y ago
Do you know how many failed societies had the arrogance of thinking that way?
- mecha_ghidorah 3y ago
  Historically speaking there is an overwhelming number of failed religious societies than there is failed secularist ones
  - Horffupolde 3y ago
    There are no secular long-standing societies but there are religious ones.
    - mecha_ghidorah 3y ago
      Sure, but there has also basically been no secular societies to speak of at all until relatively recently... Like I'd love to see you name as many as you know just to see how many you get beyond "Soviet Union", which had a bunch of issues that would lead to it's collapse beyond the lack of religion. It seems unfair to say "oh there hasn't ever been long standing secular societies, therefore something about secularism causes social breakdown" when barely any secular societies have ever even existed
      - Horffupolde 3y ago
        I’d argue that Greeks were about as secular as modern Canada or America are. There was the concept of religion but it wasn’t relevant. There was also a push towards leaving religion behind as evidenced by philosophers.
- pixl97 3y ago
  The problem you have here is one of conflation of causality. Successful religions are a self sustaining meme. "You must have kids", "You must teach your kids the religion", "Attack/destroy/other anything that interferes with the first two directives". You're not successful because religion is great or whatever, the success came from the prerogative of "religious reproduction".

corobo 3y ago

To the pub!

johnnyanmac 3y ago

So... non-existence?

jefurii 3y ago

This isn't the easy solution you might think. While some churches/denominations/whatever may get more progressive, others grow more conservative. The place your dad went to may not be a place even he recognizes any more.