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> any lot zoned R-1 that could be a duplex or better. So you want to take a situation which is nice for people living in their quiet neighborhoods and make it

> any lot zoned R-1 that could be a duplex or better. So you want to take a situation which is nice for people living in their quiet neighborhoods and make it suck for absolutely everyone? > like Tokyo Fine, let's take a satellite shot from a random SoCal city. As you can see, the city has pretty been built out. https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6683046,-117.9843852,6505m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6683046,-117.9843852,6505m/d... Your solution is to start ripping out single family homes and building duplexes everywhere?

astrange 3y ago
> So you want to take a situation which is nice for people living in their quiet neighborhoods and make it suck for absolutely everyone? If you don't do this, your children are going to move to another state when they turn 18 and never visit, because they won't have anywhere to live. Neighbors aren't pollution, but your problem is too severe to even be worrying about them. Worry about your own family. And Tokyo is quieter than your SoCal city because it doesn't have as many cars. > Your solution is to start ripping out single family homes and building duplexes everywhere? Absolutely. Luckily, it's too late for you, because we already did it in 2019 and it's already popular. https://cayimby.org/historic-adu-legislation/ https://cayimby.org/historic-adu-legislation/ The single family homeowners are the ones developing the ADUs in this case. And if their homes get replaced by a 4-plex instead, well, they got paid because they sold their land for it.
- starik36 3y ago
  > your children are going to move to another state That will happen with your plan as well because they won't want to live in a dense dystopian population hellscape. Maybe the solution is not to be ripping out homes and replacing them with duplexes, but rather building new cities. Which is also already happening. Witness rise of cities (in SoCal) around Corona and San Bernardino, where very few lived only 20 years ago. That's because lots of people would rather live in a peace and quiet rather than hear their upstairs neighbor arguing with his wife.
  - astrange 3y ago
    Duplexes don't have upstairs neighbors, you're thinking of apartments. Regardless it'll be fine; arguing with your wife is a generational-specific hobby of baby boomers, like how being in a band is specific to Gen Xers. (That's why husbands who hate their wives is the main joke in all those newspaper comics.) Luckily, having cheaper housing makes it much safer to get divorced or leave an abusive relationship!
    - starik36 3y ago
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    - vonwoodson 3y ago
      You've never lived in a place where 100 year-old houses have been converted to duplexes/quadplexes/hexaplexes/OCTOPLEXES. You will definitely end up below someone who can afford to be on top.
      - astrange 3y ago
        I live in California and the laws I'm talking about (AB68+SB9) do not permit that. Or 8-plexes for that matter. Of course, since we're talking about getting rid of zoning here, that should be legal and we should respect people's property rights to build or live in a multi story building if they want to. It'll be fine. Btw, I usually choose to be on the ground floor because it lets you go outside more easily, and one time it came with a dishwasher but the 2nd floor didn't.
        vonwoodson 3y ago
        Edit: posted on wrong comment. I do say, though, that "property rights" do not guarantee absolute sovereignty. Democracy specifically exists to rob the wealthy land owners the privilege of exerting their will upon their neighbors and fellow citizens. The will of the people is regulation.
  - HDThoreaun 3y ago
fragmede 3y ago
> Your solution is to start ripping out single family homes and building duplexes everywhere? Not just duplexes but multi story apartment buildings, and high rise buildings!

astrange 3y ago

> So you want to take a situation which is nice for people living in their quiet neighborhoods and make it suck for absolutely everyone? If you don't do this, your children are going to move to another state when they turn 18 and never visit, because they won't have anywhere to live. Neighbors aren't pollution, but your problem is too severe to even be worrying about them. Worry about your own family. And Tokyo is quieter than your SoCal city because it doesn't have as many cars. > Your solution is to start ripping out single family homes and building duplexes everywhere? Absolutely. Luckily, it's too late for you, because we already did it in 2019 and it's already popular. https://cayimby.org/historic-adu-legislation/ https://cayimby.org/historic-adu-legislation/ The single family homeowners are the ones developing the ADUs in this case. And if their homes get replaced by a 4-plex instead, well, they got paid because they sold their land for it.

starik36 3y ago
> your children are going to move to another state That will happen with your plan as well because they won't want to live in a dense dystopian population hellscape. Maybe the solution is not to be ripping out homes and replacing them with duplexes, but rather building new cities. Which is also already happening. Witness rise of cities (in SoCal) around Corona and San Bernardino, where very few lived only 20 years ago. That's because lots of people would rather live in a peace and quiet rather than hear their upstairs neighbor arguing with his wife.
- astrange 3y ago
  Duplexes don't have upstairs neighbors, you're thinking of apartments. Regardless it'll be fine; arguing with your wife is a generational-specific hobby of baby boomers, like how being in a band is specific to Gen Xers. (That's why husbands who hate their wives is the main joke in all those newspaper comics.) Luckily, having cheaper housing makes it much safer to get divorced or leave an abusive relationship!
  - starik36 3y ago
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  - vonwoodson 3y ago
    You've never lived in a place where 100 year-old houses have been converted to duplexes/quadplexes/hexaplexes/OCTOPLEXES. You will definitely end up below someone who can afford to be on top.
    - astrange 3y ago
      I live in California and the laws I'm talking about (AB68+SB9) do not permit that. Or 8-plexes for that matter. Of course, since we're talking about getting rid of zoning here, that should be legal and we should respect people's property rights to build or live in a multi story building if they want to. It'll be fine. Btw, I usually choose to be on the ground floor because it lets you go outside more easily, and one time it came with a dishwasher but the 2nd floor didn't.
      - vonwoodson 3y ago
        Edit: posted on wrong comment. I do say, though, that "property rights" do not guarantee absolute sovereignty. Democracy specifically exists to rob the wealthy land owners the privilege of exerting their will upon their neighbors and fellow citizens. The will of the people is regulation.
- HDThoreaun 3y ago

fragmede 3y ago

> Your solution is to start ripping out single family homes and building duplexes everywhere? Not just duplexes but multi story apartment buildings, and high rise buildings!