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I was about to call bullshit on your assertion about removing zoning. I did a quick look comparing Houston, which has no zoning laws at all, vs Dallas. https:

I was about to call bullshit on your assertion about removing zoning. I did a quick look comparing Houston, which has no zoning laws at all, vs Dallas. https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/houston_tx/dallas_tx/housing https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/houston_tx/dallas_... It appears (without me knowing anything else about the area conditions), that prices in Dallas rise faster. On the other hand, I don't want my quiet neighborhood to explode with dense high rise apartments. I appreciate the peace and quiet.

justrealist 3y ago
> I don't want my quiet neighborhood to explode with dense high rise apartments. I appreciate the peace and quiet. Don't want to be too capitalist about it, but cheap plentiful housing would make it easy for you to pick a cheap peaceful neighborhood somewhere else.
bombcar 3y ago
Houston has zoning by a different name, it's just covenants on the land.
- astrange 3y ago
  Houston also still has other extremely expensive requirements like parking minimums. The national traffic engineers' guides for parking are based on some of the most made up statistics you've ever seen and feature things like parking requirements for bars, as if they were trying to encourage drunk driving.
  - pierat 3y ago
    > feature things like parking requirements for bars, as if they were trying to encourage drunk driving. I wonder if anybody's ever actually used that to say the State and Feds support inebriated driving, since they require parking for bar patrons. This place is for drinking alcohol, and the last thing that should be included is parking for the drinking customers. But drunk driving is illegal <wink wink>.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      If you've ever lived anywhere near a bar without adequate off-street parking you know why those minimums exist. And since the law is not "8 hours bottle to throttle" like it probably should be, it continues.
balloonthief 3y ago
I feel like that ignores some important contextual factors like how Houston is a constantly flooding swamp where you can practically swim through the air in the summer.
astrange 3y ago
Noise in neighborhoods is caused by cars and not by anything else. There's some issues like partying neighbors, gas leafblowers, and the tendency of houses to be made of wooden sticks with no insulation, but they're much less important.
- fragmede 3y ago
  Drunk people are a huge source of noise pollution if you live above a bar or club.

justrealist 3y ago

> I don't want my quiet neighborhood to explode with dense high rise apartments. I appreciate the peace and quiet. Don't want to be too capitalist about it, but cheap plentiful housing would make it easy for you to pick a cheap peaceful neighborhood somewhere else.

bombcar 3y ago

Houston has zoning by a different name, it's just covenants on the land.

astrange 3y ago
Houston also still has other extremely expensive requirements like parking minimums. The national traffic engineers' guides for parking are based on some of the most made up statistics you've ever seen and feature things like parking requirements for bars, as if they were trying to encourage drunk driving.
- pierat 3y ago
  > feature things like parking requirements for bars, as if they were trying to encourage drunk driving. I wonder if anybody's ever actually used that to say the State and Feds support inebriated driving, since they require parking for bar patrons. This place is for drinking alcohol, and the last thing that should be included is parking for the drinking customers. But drunk driving is illegal <wink wink>.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    If you've ever lived anywhere near a bar without adequate off-street parking you know why those minimums exist. And since the law is not "8 hours bottle to throttle" like it probably should be, it continues.

balloonthief 3y ago

I feel like that ignores some important contextual factors like how Houston is a constantly flooding swamp where you can practically swim through the air in the summer.

astrange 3y ago

Noise in neighborhoods is caused by cars and not by anything else. There's some issues like partying neighbors, gas leafblowers, and the tendency of houses to be made of wooden sticks with no insulation, but they're much less important.

fragmede 3y ago
Drunk people are a huge source of noise pollution if you live above a bar or club.