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How I wish Apple's core apps weren't tied to the OS. Apple Music needs a ground up redesign so badly. It's not quite as bad as it used to be, but it's such a co

How I wish Apple's core apps weren't tied to the OS. Apple Music needs a ground up redesign so badly. It's not quite as bad as it used to be, but it's such a core part of the iOS experience, and it really feels like they put in the minimum they could get away with. Just look at this: https://www.apple.com/v/ios/ios-17/a/images/overview/music/playlist_screen__emrrhancp5iu_large_2x.jpg https://www.apple.com/v/ios/ios-17/a/images/overview/music/p...

klysm 3y ago
Look at all that * space *
dbbk 3y ago
I thought that screenshot was a joke
ganteth 3y ago
It’s so inefficiently designed. Wasted space on oversized album artwork or (even worse) generic playlist covers. High friction to resume listening/browse by recency. Lazy loading everywhere, slow load times. Cluttered menu drawers. The only thing it has going for it is general ecosystem integration (and lossless), which still is the deciding factor for me unfortunately, despite the qualms above.
denimnerd42 3y ago
I've thought it surprising they don't put more effort into the core apps and don't remove them from the iOS upgrade cycle. They could really leverage the iCloud subscription to turn it into a money maker.
- slowmovintarget 3y ago
  The definition of "good" is whatever makes the most money, not what makes the best user experience.
guestbest 3y ago
It’s purposely neglected to push ads for Apples own subscription services. The App Store used to be a lot better to browse as well
- s3p 3y ago
  Why would Apple intentionally worsen the experience of Apple Music and then advertise people to sign up for that very same platform? What does that accomplish?
  - guestbest 3y ago
    Apple Music Voice is a subscription service. Music is an app that is preinstalled. If you’ve been using apple long enough you’ll have seen the gradual improvement in apps diminish to stop and in Some cases become removed to add buttons for the “signup” or subscription additions
    - s3p 3y ago
      This is different from intentionally sabotaging and degrading the user experience of a service, then advertising it to the world and telling them they should join, which appears to be what the original comment was saying.
      - guestbest 3y ago
        Not really sure what comment you are referring to. Apple has neglected the mp3 capabilities for the streaming
  - slowmovintarget 3y ago
    If they could make it only have a Play button, that only played what they wanted to stream to you, while you continue to pay a subscription fee, they would. The reason to make it harder to navigate your own library is so you don't navigate your library at all and just put on a channel. Amazon did this also, to favor their subscriptions. It is now frustratingly difficult to play your music. Searches return results not in your library, even when you were searching... your library. It's the same reason Google and Bing are so much worse than they once were. The apps aren't serving the users, they're serving the customers (shareholders and advertisers).
hiidrew 3y ago
I wish we had more control over default apps in general. Similar to the settings for email, browser, calendar, etc.
basisword 3y ago
What are your issues with it? For me it’s still 100x better than Spotify’s last 3 redesign disasters. And the integration with my own library of bootlegs and bandcamp purchases is brilliant. I have no UI issues with it, but they could spend a bit more time on QA. It’s a bit too buggy from time to time.
- ProfessorLayton 3y ago
  Being better than Spotify is an incredibly low bar, and not really what I was comparing against. The iOS music player was very pleasant to use before they haphazardly added Apple Music to it. As you mentioned, it's full of bugs. Bugs happen, but they seem to have gotten out of control lately. Top issues: - 3/5 tabs use lazy load and anything less than great cellular/wifi means waiting to see anything. - Speaking of cell/wifi, it really shows that this app was designed in a lab under perfect conditions. Music just... stops if the connection is weak when streaming. Was it another bug? My airpods? My car's bluetooth? Who knows, and who needs feedback anyway. - Listen now tab can show a grand total of one (!!) full item before needing to scroll. On my phone with 1,483,776 pixels. It's also sorted in an arbitrary order that I cannot change. - The Browse and Radio tabs are not at all personalized to me, so I don't have much to say about them and are mainly ignored. - My library tab, my mainly used tab, is littered with album views of "Recently Added" in favor of adding a bunch of taps to things I actually want to listen to (Playlists> Playlist Name> Song/Play button) requires 3 taps. - The album view in Recently Added makes no sense outside of downloading complete albums, which seems exceedingly rare. The music topping the charts is a bunch of singles and maybe EPs, not full albums. Even if one is not into pop music, adding music from a newly discovered artist, it's probably not a full album, rather a song or maybe a few tops. On top of this, it requires two taps or a long hold gesture to play it! - Search is weirdly segmented for no reason, and is a step backwards from what Apple already solved with Spotlight. I always want results from my music first, and Apple Music second. A "no results" screen is useless for me, just show me Apple Music results, don't add yet another tap. Oh and search has Browse categories of course. I could go on for a lot longer, but these issues grate me every day. Everything just requires too many taps or scrolling to get what I want.
  - 3y ago
andelink 3y ago
I love Apple Music. I like the UI too. But I also bought the Marvis Pro iOS app. It’s like $10 or something. It’s fantastic and the developer is incredibly active/responsive online. Worth checking out if you’re unfamiliar

klysm 3y ago

Look at all that * space *

dbbk 3y ago

I thought that screenshot was a joke

ganteth 3y ago

It’s so inefficiently designed. Wasted space on oversized album artwork or (even worse) generic playlist covers. High friction to resume listening/browse by recency. Lazy loading everywhere, slow load times. Cluttered menu drawers. The only thing it has going for it is general ecosystem integration (and lossless), which still is the deciding factor for me unfortunately, despite the qualms above.

denimnerd42 3y ago

I've thought it surprising they don't put more effort into the core apps and don't remove them from the iOS upgrade cycle. They could really leverage the iCloud subscription to turn it into a money maker.

slowmovintarget 3y ago
The definition of "good" is whatever makes the most money, not what makes the best user experience.

guestbest 3y ago

It’s purposely neglected to push ads for Apples own subscription services. The App Store used to be a lot better to browse as well

s3p 3y ago
Why would Apple intentionally worsen the experience of Apple Music and then advertise people to sign up for that very same platform? What does that accomplish?
- guestbest 3y ago
  Apple Music Voice is a subscription service. Music is an app that is preinstalled. If you’ve been using apple long enough you’ll have seen the gradual improvement in apps diminish to stop and in Some cases become removed to add buttons for the “signup” or subscription additions
  - s3p 3y ago
    This is different from intentionally sabotaging and degrading the user experience of a service, then advertising it to the world and telling them they should join, which appears to be what the original comment was saying.
    - guestbest 3y ago
      Not really sure what comment you are referring to. Apple has neglected the mp3 capabilities for the streaming
- slowmovintarget 3y ago
  If they could make it only have a Play button, that only played what they wanted to stream to you, while you continue to pay a subscription fee, they would. The reason to make it harder to navigate your own library is so you don't navigate your library at all and just put on a channel. Amazon did this also, to favor their subscriptions. It is now frustratingly difficult to play your music. Searches return results not in your library, even when you were searching... your library. It's the same reason Google and Bing are so much worse than they once were. The apps aren't serving the users, they're serving the customers (shareholders and advertisers).

hiidrew 3y ago

I wish we had more control over default apps in general. Similar to the settings for email, browser, calendar, etc.

basisword 3y ago

What are your issues with it? For me it’s still 100x better than Spotify’s last 3 redesign disasters. And the integration with my own library of bootlegs and bandcamp purchases is brilliant. I have no UI issues with it, but they could spend a bit more time on QA. It’s a bit too buggy from time to time.

ProfessorLayton 3y ago
Being better than Spotify is an incredibly low bar, and not really what I was comparing against. The iOS music player was very pleasant to use before they haphazardly added Apple Music to it. As you mentioned, it's full of bugs. Bugs happen, but they seem to have gotten out of control lately. Top issues: - 3/5 tabs use lazy load and anything less than great cellular/wifi means waiting to see anything. - Speaking of cell/wifi, it really shows that this app was designed in a lab under perfect conditions. Music just... stops if the connection is weak when streaming. Was it another bug? My airpods? My car's bluetooth? Who knows, and who needs feedback anyway. - Listen now tab can show a grand total of one (!!) full item before needing to scroll. On my phone with 1,483,776 pixels. It's also sorted in an arbitrary order that I cannot change. - The Browse and Radio tabs are not at all personalized to me, so I don't have much to say about them and are mainly ignored. - My library tab, my mainly used tab, is littered with album views of "Recently Added" in favor of adding a bunch of taps to things I actually want to listen to (Playlists> Playlist Name> Song/Play button) requires 3 taps. - The album view in Recently Added makes no sense outside of downloading complete albums, which seems exceedingly rare. The music topping the charts is a bunch of singles and maybe EPs, not full albums. Even if one is not into pop music, adding music from a newly discovered artist, it's probably not a full album, rather a song or maybe a few tops. On top of this, it requires two taps or a long hold gesture to play it! - Search is weirdly segmented for no reason, and is a step backwards from what Apple already solved with Spotlight. I always want results from my music first, and Apple Music second. A "no results" screen is useless for me, just show me Apple Music results, don't add yet another tap. Oh and search has Browse categories of course. I could go on for a lot longer, but these issues grate me every day. Everything just requires too many taps or scrolling to get what I want.
- 3y ago

andelink 3y ago

I love Apple Music. I like the UI too. But I also bought the Marvis Pro iOS app. It’s like $10 or something. It’s fantastic and the developer is incredibly active/responsive online. Worth checking out if you’re unfamiliar