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Perhaps as women have gained more financial independence they no longer need to adopt a submissive attitude towards men to survive?
by lokar 3y ago
Perhaps as women have gained more financial independence they no longer need to adopt a submissive attitude towards men to survive?
- jvanderbot 3y agoEquating a marriage with "submission" is the first thing that needs to die if we're going to create more two-parent households. It is simply no longer the case.
- alduin32 3y agoA marriage does not equate to submission, but patriarchal issues in current marriages are still very much present.
- lokar 3y agoYes many, probably most marriages are based on an equal relationship. But many are not. And in the past most were not.
- em-bee 3y agoi would say most marriages (in western cultures at least) are based on the expectation of an equal relationship. however many still have not learned what actually is an equal relationship. (it's not splitting home chores 50/50). for me an equal relation ship means that each of our wishes, goals and needs are of equal importance. it can mean that both partners work and split housework equally, but it also can mean something different.
- lokar 3y agoGo read and listen to the ideology from many conservative evangelical groups in the US. They are pretty direct on this point. Wives must submit to husbands. It’s not a secret.
- jvanderbot 3y agoIt's different to say "some believe, but it's not necessarily true". I'm fully aware of conservative takes, and I'm watching my mom navigate her new independence after her husband died recently. They were both staunch conservatives and evangelicals.
- em-bee 3y agowell, ideally both partners submit to each other. that is, it is my responsibility to help realize the wishes or goals of my wife, but it is just as much my wifes responsibility to help realize my wishes or goals. why is that better than everyone just realizing their own wishes and goals? because this way a space for cooperation is created because we'll both end up working on and supporting each others goals or wishes, and also each of us are able to notice if there is a conflict between each of our goals and wishes, and then we can work them out.
- mortureb 3y agoBut women not being submissive has led to devastating effects on the children. Maybe that’s something we need to work on reimplementing.
- lokar 3y agoAffordable high quality child care
- mortureb 3y agoThat’s a red herring. A person overlooking 5-15 kids is never going to be able to offer the care a one on one relationship with a mother can. Maybe a nanny might be an analogous alternative but the state will never be able to pay for that.
- marssaxman 3y ago> A person overlooking 5-15 kids is never going to be able to offer the care a one on one relationship with a mother can. Some mothers have 5-15 kids!
- mortureb 3y agoMost, and I mean 93%+ of Americans don’t and that’s just for the lower bound of 5 kids. It’s 0.002% at 15.
- marssaxman 3y agoI am well aware that it is uncommon, coming as I do from a family of eleven children; but the world is much more than America, and birth control is a recent invention. I don't see how you can reasonably claim that one person cannot care for such a number of children when mothers of large families have been doing it for millenia.
- mortureb 3y ago