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What's the use-case for WinRAR in 2023? I switched to 7zip over a ~decade ago and never looked back. Although I also have fond memories of using WinRAR as a kid

What's the use-case for WinRAR in 2023? I switched to 7zip over a ~decade ago and never looked back. Although I also have fond memories of using WinRAR as a kid and always felt thankful for the unlimited trial.

Seanambers 3y ago
WinRar is where its at. Never liked 7zip.
dist-epoch 3y ago
For me, support for archive recovery record, which 7zip does not support.
- davidcollantes 3y ago
  Because I didn’t know about this, and was curious to find out more: https://www.win-rar.com/recovery-record.html https://www.win-rar.com/recovery-record.html “Using Recovery Record slightly increases the size of your .rar files, but it helps to recover data should your file become corrupted by a virus, bad disc, etc. The larger recovery record allows you to restore a bigger damaged area, but increases the size of the archive and the process is slower."
  - jakub_g 3y ago
    I used this a lot in early 2000s when my only internet connection was at school or internet cafes, and the data transfer was via a bunch floppy disks I carried with me. The floppies often had issues, so a single corrupted byte would normally corrupt the downloaded files (especially images and binaries) but with 10% or 20% of recovery data written in a non-damaged place, it could manage to un-rar. If you're curious how this works: say you have some data like below: 10001100 11001010 11001010 01001010 10001100 11001010 11001010 01001010 You can calculate a sum of each row and each column, mod 2, and store it somewhere. When a single bit gets flipped, with the extra data (assuming the recovery data itself is not borked), you can calculate exactly which bit got flipped. (You can also calculate other kinds of extra data which can deal with more complex bit flips).
  - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
    So it's like appending a par2
- mmh0000 3y ago
  I seen this mentioned a few times in the thread. While true, there are other tools (with more control) for creating recovery data, notably, parchive[1]. [1] https://github.com/Parchive/par2cmdline https://github.com/Parchive/par2cmdline
cosmotic 3y ago
The UX on 7zip isn't as good.
- javchz 3y ago
  This. 7zip it's amazing in its own right but some UX choices are weird like by default double clicking a rar file will not open 7zip (vs WinRAR that opens the preview what's files are inside, like any other program). Here you need to right click>7zip>Open in 7zip. Not a huge issue, but I can see someone who installed 7zip, think didn't worked and then install WinRAR.
kwanbix 3y ago
Select many archives, right click, and selecting extract each archive to a separate folder. Or doing the opposite, selecting many folders and telling winrar to create a .RAR file from each folder. Etc.
wongarsu 3y ago
- better .tar.gz handling: Winrar treats it as one file, 7zip as a tar in a gz that have to be extracted separately - recovery records to be able to recover from mild bit rot - support for more NTFS attributes and features (saving alternate streams, security records, turning hard links into links, etc) - can do useful things with the archive attribute of files if you so desire (archiving only files with the attribute set, clearing the attribute after, optionally deleting them) - better GUI (7zip UI is an incomplete WinRAR clone) - when selecting multiple archives, you can extract each to their own subfolder with a single command Overall WinRAR is the much more solid archival tool. If all you need is something to decompress archives WinRAR isn't too different from 7zip, but has a slightly nicer UX.
bdonlan 3y ago
WinRAR supports explicitly selecting the character set to use to decompress a .zip file - super helpful when opening Japanese ZIP files.
dharmab 3y ago
I had to modify a RAR file for some weird software a while back and WinRAR was the easiest way to do it. 7zip can extract RAR but cannot modify it.
soraminazuki 3y ago
It’s a bit surprising considering that even Windows has libarchive now.
- henriquecm8 3y ago
  I read that windows support for .rar, .gz, .7z and other archive formats only comes next year.
  - soraminazuki 3y ago
    Isn't the CLI already available though? I recall reading that it was made available in Windows 10.
- benbristow 3y ago
  Doesn't support compression though, only decompression. Something to do with RAR licencing I believe.
  - soraminazuki 3y ago
    That's a feature IMHO. Openness and interoperability is a bare minimum requirement for a general purpose archive format. RAR doesn't meet those requirements, so we'd benefit by having less people creating and distributing them.
JeanMarcS 3y ago
Well first it was at a promotional price (~10€), for 24 hour, and was a dare with the 9gag community. Also, from what I read in the comments and tweets, a lot of people who bought the licence did it more as a "thank you for all this year where we could use it for free" And finally, as it was a promotion, the guy(s ?) at the end of the email adress had to make the links one by one and didn't had enough times to reply to all demands. If they'd planed it, with a dedicated page, I think the result could have been huge
s9w 3y ago
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Seanambers 3y ago

WinRar is where its at. Never liked 7zip.

dist-epoch 3y ago

For me, support for archive recovery record, which 7zip does not support.

davidcollantes 3y ago
Because I didn’t know about this, and was curious to find out more: https://www.win-rar.com/recovery-record.html https://www.win-rar.com/recovery-record.html “Using Recovery Record slightly increases the size of your .rar files, but it helps to recover data should your file become corrupted by a virus, bad disc, etc. The larger recovery record allows you to restore a bigger damaged area, but increases the size of the archive and the process is slower."
- jakub_g 3y ago
  I used this a lot in early 2000s when my only internet connection was at school or internet cafes, and the data transfer was via a bunch floppy disks I carried with me. The floppies often had issues, so a single corrupted byte would normally corrupt the downloaded files (especially images and binaries) but with 10% or 20% of recovery data written in a non-damaged place, it could manage to un-rar. If you're curious how this works: say you have some data like below: 10001100 11001010 11001010 01001010 10001100 11001010 11001010 01001010 You can calculate a sum of each row and each column, mod 2, and store it somewhere. When a single bit gets flipped, with the extra data (assuming the recovery data itself is not borked), you can calculate exactly which bit got flipped. (You can also calculate other kinds of extra data which can deal with more complex bit flips).
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  So it's like appending a par2
mmh0000 3y ago
I seen this mentioned a few times in the thread. While true, there are other tools (with more control) for creating recovery data, notably, parchive[1]. [1] https://github.com/Parchive/par2cmdline https://github.com/Parchive/par2cmdline

cosmotic 3y ago

The UX on 7zip isn't as good.

javchz 3y ago
This. 7zip it's amazing in its own right but some UX choices are weird like by default double clicking a rar file will not open 7zip (vs WinRAR that opens the preview what's files are inside, like any other program). Here you need to right click>7zip>Open in 7zip. Not a huge issue, but I can see someone who installed 7zip, think didn't worked and then install WinRAR.

kwanbix 3y ago

Select many archives, right click, and selecting extract each archive to a separate folder. Or doing the opposite, selecting many folders and telling winrar to create a .RAR file from each folder. Etc.

wongarsu 3y ago

- better .tar.gz handling: Winrar treats it as one file, 7zip as a tar in a gz that have to be extracted separately - recovery records to be able to recover from mild bit rot - support for more NTFS attributes and features (saving alternate streams, security records, turning hard links into links, etc) - can do useful things with the archive attribute of files if you so desire (archiving only files with the attribute set, clearing the attribute after, optionally deleting them) - better GUI (7zip UI is an incomplete WinRAR clone) - when selecting multiple archives, you can extract each to their own subfolder with a single command Overall WinRAR is the much more solid archival tool. If all you need is something to decompress archives WinRAR isn't too different from 7zip, but has a slightly nicer UX.

bdonlan 3y ago

WinRAR supports explicitly selecting the character set to use to decompress a .zip file - super helpful when opening Japanese ZIP files.

dharmab 3y ago

I had to modify a RAR file for some weird software a while back and WinRAR was the easiest way to do it. 7zip can extract RAR but cannot modify it.

soraminazuki 3y ago

It’s a bit surprising considering that even Windows has libarchive now.

henriquecm8 3y ago
I read that windows support for .rar, .gz, .7z and other archive formats only comes next year.
- soraminazuki 3y ago
  Isn't the CLI already available though? I recall reading that it was made available in Windows 10.
benbristow 3y ago
Doesn't support compression though, only decompression. Something to do with RAR licencing I believe.
- soraminazuki 3y ago
  That's a feature IMHO. Openness and interoperability is a bare minimum requirement for a general purpose archive format. RAR doesn't meet those requirements, so we'd benefit by having less people creating and distributing them.

JeanMarcS 3y ago

Well first it was at a promotional price (~10€), for 24 hour, and was a dare with the 9gag community. Also, from what I read in the comments and tweets, a lot of people who bought the licence did it more as a "thank you for all this year where we could use it for free" And finally, as it was a promotion, the guy(s ?) at the end of the email adress had to make the links one by one and didn't had enough times to reply to all demands. If they'd planed it, with a dedicated page, I think the result could have been huge

s9w 3y ago

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