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Hikers of the mountain are not unified in their support for the renaming: https://www.14ers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63361 https://www.14ers.com/forum/viewtop

Hikers of the mountain are not unified in their support for the renaming: https://www.14ers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63361 https://www.14ers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63361 "Why do we care so much about the opinions of people we conquered over a hundred years ago?"

john020 3y ago
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- justinator 3y ago
  Your account is 6 minutes old and your only comment is this one.
  - alphabettsy 3y ago
    Just flag and ignore.
buzzdenver 3y ago
I'd really like if 14ers.com had a thumbs up/down option for comments. A similar forum, letsrun.com, has an order of magnitude higher number of vile comments like this, but after the recent introduction of voting you see that something like this would has at least 90% thumbs downs and restore your faith in humanity a little bit.
hooverd 3y ago
Apparently, if you rename a mountain to something other than after a guy who massacred Native Americans after lying to them they'd be safe, you're a "woketard" and a "total fruit". Enlightening stuff.
- DrThunder 3y ago
  Ahh yes but the "indigenous" never killed eachother, raped, murdered etc. right? You realize holding a group of people up as idols that can do no wrong is just as de-humanizing and bigoted as calling them savages right? The idea that you should continuously look into the past and constantly change the names of things like it's actually going to make the past atrocity go away is pretty laughable.
  - buzzdenver 3y ago
    So in your view all genocide is justified because statistically no large group of people is all saints? The idea is not to make past atrocities go away, but to point out if certain participants were more of a good guy or bad guy. Or gal. Naming a mountain/street/whatever after you, or having a statue is a sign that you are considered a good guy. So this decision reverses that.
  - hooverd 3y ago
    Native Americans were no angels, so it's okay to vaporize a dishonored governor who went back on his word to massacre a village? Could you point to where I or anyone else are "holding a group of people [the Arapaho/Cheyenne] up as idols that can do no wrong"? Anyways, there's a difference between memorializing and valorizing. There should be a Sand Creek memorial, not a Mount Evans.

john020 3y ago

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justinator 3y ago
Your account is 6 minutes old and your only comment is this one.
- alphabettsy 3y ago
  Just flag and ignore.

buzzdenver 3y ago

I'd really like if 14ers.com had a thumbs up/down option for comments. A similar forum, letsrun.com, has an order of magnitude higher number of vile comments like this, but after the recent introduction of voting you see that something like this would has at least 90% thumbs downs and restore your faith in humanity a little bit.

hooverd 3y ago

Apparently, if you rename a mountain to something other than after a guy who massacred Native Americans after lying to them they'd be safe, you're a "woketard" and a "total fruit". Enlightening stuff.

DrThunder 3y ago
Ahh yes but the "indigenous" never killed eachother, raped, murdered etc. right? You realize holding a group of people up as idols that can do no wrong is just as de-humanizing and bigoted as calling them savages right? The idea that you should continuously look into the past and constantly change the names of things like it's actually going to make the past atrocity go away is pretty laughable.
- buzzdenver 3y ago
  So in your view all genocide is justified because statistically no large group of people is all saints? The idea is not to make past atrocities go away, but to point out if certain participants were more of a good guy or bad guy. Or gal. Naming a mountain/street/whatever after you, or having a statue is a sign that you are considered a good guy. So this decision reverses that.
- hooverd 3y ago
  Native Americans were no angels, so it's okay to vaporize a dishonored governor who went back on his word to massacre a village? Could you point to where I or anyone else are "holding a group of people [the Arapaho/Cheyenne] up as idols that can do no wrong"? Anyways, there's a difference between memorializing and valorizing. There should be a Sand Creek memorial, not a Mount Evans.