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... are you serious? You don't think military invasions & communist dictatorships constitute "wholesale violation of human rights at a massive scale"? If the

... are you serious? You don't think military invasions & communist dictatorships constitute "wholesale violation of human rights at a massive scale"? If the NSA is spying on people, that's an invasion of their privacy, but it is nothing in comparison to those other violations

kmeisthax 3y ago
The NSA violates privacy at scale - a lot of little violations of civil liberties. It's the difference between robbing a man for everything he has, versus pick-pocketing 30 cents out of the pocket of every person on the planet. Furthermore, they're part of a larger intelligence apparatus that has absolutely committed very large and very harmful violations of civil liberties. The NSA's sister org, the CIA, was overthrowing democratically elected left-wingers in South America for decades, replacing them with brutal dictators and tyrants that gave both Hitler and Stalin runs for their money. The CIA wrote the book on how to do so, arguably even moreso than the KGB did. In fact, the reason why Russia today[0] is so effective at information warfare and covert propaganda is specifically because they learned from observation. [0] Not(?) to be confused with Russia Today
- tptacek 3y ago
  If you're thinking about overseas signals intelligence, then, like the signals intelligence practice in every industrialized state in the world, the chartered purpose of NSA is to conduct those privacy violations. The safeguards we're given against NSA --- take them as seriously as you want --- are about domestic surveillance.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    Just because Americans believe they have domestic rights being protected doesn't mean their intelligence apparatus isn't violating human rights at massive scale. Yes, the purpose of the NSA is to violate human rights at scale. No, this is not a tolerable situation for those of us in the free world.
    - tptacek 3y ago
      You keep saying "NSA", but you mean "the intelligence agencies of every industrialized country in the world".
      - boffinAudio 3y ago
        No, you mean that - in order to justify the continued existence of the NSA - but I really do mean NSA when I state NSA. There are no other intelligence agencies coming even close to the human rights violations committed every millisecond by the American people.
boffinAudio 3y ago
Its a massive, wholesale violation of human rights, which can then be used as further justification for more atrocities and calamity at the hands of the US' military industrial complex .. And yes, the USA is still the worlds worst violator of human rights, bar none. The NSA is why.
- FredPret 3y ago
  It's completely unreal that you can think this. Russia is invading a sovereign country right now. Civilians are getting killed. You'll hopefully agree that getting killed is a human rights violation? Saudi Arabia is invading Yemen. North Korea is running a giant state apparatus that lets one man lord it over tens of millions; all his whims are satisfied while they go literally hungry. Venezuela is ruled by a dictator - millions are hungry and poor. Families torn apart by mass emigration. China has 1.5 BILLION people in economic and political pseudo-slavery. They don't really own anything and are more or less forced to go along with the government. But boo-hoo, the NSA can read your texts, so they're the ultimate bad guy? Dude.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    The USA is invading a sovereign country right now. It has occupied 1/3rd of its territory with the specific goal of denying the people of that nation access to those resources needed to rebuild their shattered state. >Civilians are getting killed. The USA has dropped a bomb on innocent people every twenty minutes for the last twenty years. The state of Ukraine today is not even close to the atrocities committed by the USA. >The open genocide of Yemen by a known fascist totalitarian authoritarian dictatorship, with the support of the US military Saudi Arabia has been sold the weapons it needs for its genocide by the USA. The genocide of Yemen is 100% on the American people - it wouldn't happen without your states' complicity. All those resources being provided to 'stop' the 'genocide of Ukraine' - where are they while 10 million Yemeni children are being starved to death? North Korea? They wish they had the ability to govern their nations mindset the way the West does. China has lifted a billion people out of poverty into their new middle class. The USA, meanwhile, has all but eradicated its middle class. The NSA are violating human rights at massive scale; the USA is the worlds #1 supporter of terror and exporter of calamity, and has committed decades of war crimes, crimes against humanity and massive violations of human rights at scale - with impunity - precisely because of the utter ignorance citizens (or are you military) such as yourself demonstrate...

kmeisthax 3y ago

The NSA violates privacy at scale - a lot of little violations of civil liberties. It's the difference between robbing a man for everything he has, versus pick-pocketing 30 cents out of the pocket of every person on the planet. Furthermore, they're part of a larger intelligence apparatus that has absolutely committed very large and very harmful violations of civil liberties. The NSA's sister org, the CIA, was overthrowing democratically elected left-wingers in South America for decades, replacing them with brutal dictators and tyrants that gave both Hitler and Stalin runs for their money. The CIA wrote the book on how to do so, arguably even moreso than the KGB did. In fact, the reason why Russia today[0] is so effective at information warfare and covert propaganda is specifically because they learned from observation. [0] Not(?) to be confused with Russia Today

tptacek 3y ago
If you're thinking about overseas signals intelligence, then, like the signals intelligence practice in every industrialized state in the world, the chartered purpose of NSA is to conduct those privacy violations. The safeguards we're given against NSA --- take them as seriously as you want --- are about domestic surveillance.
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  Just because Americans believe they have domestic rights being protected doesn't mean their intelligence apparatus isn't violating human rights at massive scale. Yes, the purpose of the NSA is to violate human rights at scale. No, this is not a tolerable situation for those of us in the free world.
  - tptacek 3y ago
    You keep saying "NSA", but you mean "the intelligence agencies of every industrialized country in the world".
    - boffinAudio 3y ago
      No, you mean that - in order to justify the continued existence of the NSA - but I really do mean NSA when I state NSA. There are no other intelligence agencies coming even close to the human rights violations committed every millisecond by the American people.

boffinAudio 3y ago

Its a massive, wholesale violation of human rights, which can then be used as further justification for more atrocities and calamity at the hands of the US' military industrial complex .. And yes, the USA is still the worlds worst violator of human rights, bar none. The NSA is why.

FredPret 3y ago
It's completely unreal that you can think this. Russia is invading a sovereign country right now. Civilians are getting killed. You'll hopefully agree that getting killed is a human rights violation? Saudi Arabia is invading Yemen. North Korea is running a giant state apparatus that lets one man lord it over tens of millions; all his whims are satisfied while they go literally hungry. Venezuela is ruled by a dictator - millions are hungry and poor. Families torn apart by mass emigration. China has 1.5 BILLION people in economic and political pseudo-slavery. They don't really own anything and are more or less forced to go along with the government. But boo-hoo, the NSA can read your texts, so they're the ultimate bad guy? Dude.
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  The USA is invading a sovereign country right now. It has occupied 1/3rd of its territory with the specific goal of denying the people of that nation access to those resources needed to rebuild their shattered state. >Civilians are getting killed. The USA has dropped a bomb on innocent people every twenty minutes for the last twenty years. The state of Ukraine today is not even close to the atrocities committed by the USA. >The open genocide of Yemen by a known fascist totalitarian authoritarian dictatorship, with the support of the US military Saudi Arabia has been sold the weapons it needs for its genocide by the USA. The genocide of Yemen is 100% on the American people - it wouldn't happen without your states' complicity. All those resources being provided to 'stop' the 'genocide of Ukraine' - where are they while 10 million Yemeni children are being starved to death? North Korea? They wish they had the ability to govern their nations mindset the way the West does. China has lifted a billion people out of poverty into their new middle class. The USA, meanwhile, has all but eradicated its middle class. The NSA are violating human rights at massive scale; the USA is the worlds #1 supporter of terror and exporter of calamity, and has committed decades of war crimes, crimes against humanity and massive violations of human rights at scale - with impunity - precisely because of the utter ignorance citizens (or are you military) such as yourself demonstrate...