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Can we FINALLY somehow make IPv6 real? Like, don't license the "Internet" providers that don't provide it?

by ceeam 3y ago

NavinF 3y ago
There is no licensing for internet providers and that's a good thing. Most ISPs in the US already provide IPv6. 45% of users access Google over IPv6 and this has been increasing linearly for the last decade: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html The final barrier is crappy consumer routers with terrible default settings. Not much we can do but wait for these devices to die because the average user won't buy a new one until that happens
- nfriedly 3y ago
  > Most ISPs in the US already provide IPv6. 45% of users... Is that distorted by cellular providers? I know my wired ISP does not provide IPv6, even when I explicitly asked for it. They do CGNAT for most customers and assign a static IPv4 to anyone who complains (and then try to start charging for it a year later). The ISP at my previous home was also IPv4 only (although, thankfully, no CGNAT).
  - bravetraveler 3y ago
    Probably a bit, though I have noticed an upward trend in v6 support with ISPs. When I was using Spectrum, was pleased to find they had (barely-passable) support, SLAAC wasn't a thing IIRC. Google Fiber has done well and so did AT&T's offering
    - NavinF 3y ago
      SLAAC doesn't delegate address space. That's why ISPs use DHCPv6. You can get a /60 from Comcast and a /48 from many other ISPs.
    - nfriedly 3y ago
      Ok, fair enough. If Spectrum and AT&T both support v6 now (edit: Comcast/Xfinity too!), then that probably does cover a good portion of the wired ISP market.
  - StressedDev 3y ago
    Comcast / Xfinity has had IPv6 for years (probably 5-10).
- folkrav 3y ago
  Last I checked, most of that IPv6 traffic was mobile, and most residential ISPs don't offer IPv6, or if they do in areas, they don't always provide IPv6-ready equipment. We're in a similar situation up here in Canada - adoption is slowly trickling in through mobile networks, but many large ISPs still aren't offering it.
- kelseyfrog 3y ago
  Thank you for this. There is a very strong pattern of variability[1] associated with day-of-week. Namely, there is a 5.1% increase of IPv6 traffic on weekends. This pattern isn't reflected in Cloudflare's version of this chart[2]. Naturally, a curious mind asks, "Why would this be so?" 1. Seasonality - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonality 2. https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/ipv6 https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/ipv6
  - NavinF 3y ago
    Probably because ancient corporate networks are more likely to lack IPv6 and people are spending more time on mobile data on weekends

Can we FINALLY somehow make IPv6 real? Like, don't license the "Internet" providers that don't provide it?

by ceeam 3y ago

Can we FINALLY somehow make IPv6 real? Like, don't license the "Internet" providers that don't provide it?

There is no licensing for internet providers and that's a good thing. Most ISPs in the US already provide IPv6. 45% of users access Google over IPv6 and this has been increasing linearly for the last decade: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html The final barrier is crappy consumer routers with terrible default settings. Not much we can do but wait for these devices to die because the average user won't buy a new one until that happens

nfriedly 3y ago
> Most ISPs in the US already provide IPv6. 45% of users... Is that distorted by cellular providers? I know my wired ISP does not provide IPv6, even when I explicitly asked for it. They do CGNAT for most customers and assign a static IPv4 to anyone who complains (and then try to start charging for it a year later). The ISP at my previous home was also IPv4 only (although, thankfully, no CGNAT).
- bravetraveler 3y ago
  Probably a bit, though I have noticed an upward trend in v6 support with ISPs. When I was using Spectrum, was pleased to find they had (barely-passable) support, SLAAC wasn't a thing IIRC. Google Fiber has done well and so did AT&T's offering
  - NavinF 3y ago
    SLAAC doesn't delegate address space. That's why ISPs use DHCPv6. You can get a /60 from Comcast and a /48 from many other ISPs.
  - nfriedly 3y ago
    Ok, fair enough. If Spectrum and AT&T both support v6 now (edit: Comcast/Xfinity too!), then that probably does cover a good portion of the wired ISP market.
- StressedDev 3y ago
  Comcast / Xfinity has had IPv6 for years (probably 5-10).
folkrav 3y ago
Last I checked, most of that IPv6 traffic was mobile, and most residential ISPs don't offer IPv6, or if they do in areas, they don't always provide IPv6-ready equipment. We're in a similar situation up here in Canada - adoption is slowly trickling in through mobile networks, but many large ISPs still aren't offering it.
kelseyfrog 3y ago
Thank you for this. There is a very strong pattern of variability[1] associated with day-of-week. Namely, there is a 5.1% increase of IPv6 traffic on weekends. This pattern isn't reflected in Cloudflare's version of this chart[2]. Naturally, a curious mind asks, "Why would this be so?" 1. Seasonality - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonality 2. https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/ipv6 https://radar.cloudflare.com/reports/ipv6
- NavinF 3y ago
  Probably because ancient corporate networks are more likely to lack IPv6 and people are spending more time on mobile data on weekends