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US is literally built on immigration!! Millions of Germans, Italians, Japenese, Persians, Chinese, Indians immigrated to the US since the 18th century. Benjami
by afr0ck 3y ago
US is literally built on immigration!! Millions of Germans, Italians, Japenese, Persians, Chinese, Indians immigrated to the US since the 18th century.
Benjamin Franklin was very worried about German immigrants in the US and he described them as "less intelligent", "aliens" and that they won't assimilate. Fast forward few decades later/centries later, Germans are one of the most successful immigrants group in the US, industrialising the country, creating financial institutions, and becoming military and political leaders, giving US presidents and generals.
Recently, Asian immigrants created Silicon companies. One of them is a trillion dollar company called Nvidia.
France has a huge success story with immigrants as well, the poles (Marie Curie), the Italians, the Portuguese, North Africans, etc.
There are certain issues here and there, especially with unregulated modern mass migration, but in my opinion, that's not a true representation of real immigration that has always happened since the beginning of time.
The fact that Sweden has integration issues with mass migration from war-torn Syria is a special case.
- jesterson 3y ago> France has a huge success story with immigrants as well Oh boy, I would like to hear the "success story" even much more than I would like to continue discussing other things :)
- prmoustache 3y agoThe whole history of France is a success story of immigration. The fact is that the 25% of far right xenophobes in France's population made it turn for the worse by souring our relationship with people from different cultures and religions.
- jesterson 3y ago> The whole history of France is a success story of immigration Just because you blatantly state something without anything supporting your POW, doesn’t make it a truth. But blaming “far-right xenophobes” for what happened to France is something I haven’t seen before. Indeed human delusions have no borders whatsoever.
- prmoustache 3y agoDidn't you blatantly stated anything just a few comments before? >Just because you blatantly state something without anything supporting your POW, doesn’t make it a truth. Open a damn history book, do I have to mention 20 centuries of history? > But blaming “far-right xenophobes” for what happened to France is something I haven’t seen before. Well far-right people have been making sure immigrants are not welcome, make them life miserable, ruin their own existence, present them with fewer job opportunities, lie about their reason of being in the country, laugh at them, insult them, make sure they are not welcome in any other neighborhood than the ghettos they have been parked in in the sixties, make sure the schools in these neighborhoods are underfounded, make them has hard as possible to be integrated as school. Then oh surprise, after 70 years of this shit, they complain that a fraction of these immigrants have turned sour, extremists or are criminals.
- zo1 3y agoYou couldn't pay me to live in France, it's a **hole. I know that's a low-effort comment, but it's important for some people to know what opinions others have outside of their "rainbows and butterflies" worldview.
- prmoustache 3y agoI think you are simply the kind of people France do not need so that is fair. We have enough xenophobes.
- jesterson 3y agoYou do see how stating that makes you a xenophobe, don’t you? What makes you think you have rights to decide what people France needs and what doesn’t? Can’t believe discussions on HN have deteriorated that far.
- prmoustache 3y agoWell if you think a country is a s*hole, yes that country doesn't need you. And it is not about where that person comes from, but about his agenda. But nice try reversing the semantics.
- jesterson 3y agoWow, just wow. I’ll end the discussion right here. It’s with sadness we must admit european future is very grim
- zo1 3y agoCome back to me after you've had an anonymous referendum on the matter in France. For all we know, this "xenophobe" fits right in.