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> in case of an East vs West war I’m not sure Hanoi will side with Uncle Sam geopolitical situation shows that they in all probability very much will. china ha

> in case of an East vs West war I’m not sure Hanoi will side with Uncle Sam geopolitical situation shows that they in all probability very much will. china has been making a whole lot of enemies recently. Ten years ago it may have been different

paganel 3y ago
I've seen that pov presented in some other parts recently, I think it's wishful thinking on the West's part but time will tell.
- RugnirViking 3y ago
  Why? Same as the US,China literally invaded Vietnam in the recent past, its not like they have ever been on especially good terms. The most likely scenario remains neutrality, but the idea of them joining China in a war seems fanciful given china constantly testing the border and their naval sovereignity.
  - paganel 3y ago
    Because the higher echelons of Vietnam power know that the Americans come and go (see Saigon), while the Chinese are there to stay. Granted, I would have thought that the same policy had been adopted by people holding power in Kiev (when it comes to Russia), and yet, here we are. There’s also the fact that Vietnam leaders are, for all intents and putposes, communists in name and in legitimizing ideology, I wonder how would the US sell that alliance at home (“we’ve allied with the good communists to defeat the bad communists”? who knows?)
    - red-iron-pine 3y ago
      nah. US is still backing NATO, harder than ever, and standing with Korea and Taiwan. they didn't have much motivation to keep taking casualties in a colonial war that the French drew them into. but actual treaties matter, and the US backs those. hell, the US tried for close to 20 years in Vietnam, starting with advisors to the French in the late 1950s. and another 20 years in the AFG and Iraq. if anything they're too willing to piss away time and money on lost causes.

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> in case of an East vs West war I’m not sure Hanoi will side with Uncle Sam geopolitical situation shows that they in all probability very much will. china ha

by RugnirViking 3y ago

paganel 3y ago
I've seen that pov presented in some other parts recently, I think it's wishful thinking on the West's part but time will tell.
- RugnirViking 3y ago
  Why? Same as the US,China literally invaded Vietnam in the recent past, its not like they have ever been on especially good terms. The most likely scenario remains neutrality, but the idea of them joining China in a war seems fanciful given china constantly testing the border and their naval sovereignity.
  - paganel 3y ago
    Because the higher echelons of Vietnam power know that the Americans come and go (see Saigon), while the Chinese are there to stay. Granted, I would have thought that the same policy had been adopted by people holding power in Kiev (when it comes to Russia), and yet, here we are. There’s also the fact that Vietnam leaders are, for all intents and putposes, communists in name and in legitimizing ideology, I wonder how would the US sell that alliance at home (“we’ve allied with the good communists to defeat the bad communists”? who knows?)
    - red-iron-pine 3y ago
      nah. US is still backing NATO, harder than ever, and standing with Korea and Taiwan. they didn't have much motivation to keep taking casualties in a colonial war that the French drew them into. but actual treaties matter, and the US backs those. hell, the US tried for close to 20 years in Vietnam, starting with advisors to the French in the late 1950s. and another 20 years in the AFG and Iraq. if anything they're too willing to piss away time and money on lost causes.