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I would say you're conflating freedom with fending for one's self. A teenager living at home has a high degree of freedom, but they don't have to fend for them

I would say you're conflating freedom with fending for one's self. A teenager living at home has a high degree of freedom, but they don't have to fend for themselves, that is, they don't have to take responsibility for doing all the things that need doing in life, they will find their dirty shirt left on the floor, magically cleaned, ironed and put back in the wardrobe. Someone in the army has a low amount of freedom, but they have to take responsibility for all the things that need doing in life. If they don't make sure their shirt is washed, ironed, etc they will be held responsible.

wkat4242 3y ago
But the military have a laundry service, cooking service etc. Everything is still done for them. Except the things they are ordered to do. Throwing your shirts in the laundry is not really different from home. Moving into your own place for the first time is much more like fending for yourself. Having to learn to cook, wash, manage your finances. Living independently and having to live with your mistakes, not just being told off for them by a superior. And really, things that actually matter, not something stupid like not having a starched shirt in the morning. The real world no longer cares about such superficial matters. The only thing the military is really good at teaching is obedience but at the expense of suppressing critical thought and creativity. If I were an employer I'd like my employees to tell me if they disagree and not blindly follow orders. PS: Yes my aversion to the military is pretty clear sorry.
- tguvot 3y ago
  things in Israel and Israeli army somewhat different from what you describe. If you curious, go to /r/Israel, there were a discussion last week about difference between US and Israeli armies
- fakedang 3y ago
  Last I checked, the aforementioned services you state (cleaning, laundry, cooking, etc) were all handled by conscripts themselves, and not by some sweet outsourced civilian agency (of course, things could be different for US folks in a warzone). In fact, some high level officers are often assigned a bunch of conscripts to do all their boring work for them. This is mostly the case in countries with a conscripted military, or a large enough population.

wkat4242 3y ago

But the military have a laundry service, cooking service etc. Everything is still done for them. Except the things they are ordered to do. Throwing your shirts in the laundry is not really different from home. Moving into your own place for the first time is much more like fending for yourself. Having to learn to cook, wash, manage your finances. Living independently and having to live with your mistakes, not just being told off for them by a superior. And really, things that actually matter, not something stupid like not having a starched shirt in the morning. The real world no longer cares about such superficial matters. The only thing the military is really good at teaching is obedience but at the expense of suppressing critical thought and creativity. If I were an employer I'd like my employees to tell me if they disagree and not blindly follow orders. PS: Yes my aversion to the military is pretty clear sorry.

tguvot 3y ago
things in Israel and Israeli army somewhat different from what you describe. If you curious, go to /r/Israel, there were a discussion last week about difference between US and Israeli armies
fakedang 3y ago
Last I checked, the aforementioned services you state (cleaning, laundry, cooking, etc) were all handled by conscripts themselves, and not by some sweet outsourced civilian agency (of course, things could be different for US folks in a warzone). In fact, some high level officers are often assigned a bunch of conscripts to do all their boring work for them. This is mostly the case in countries with a conscripted military, or a large enough population.