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Doesn't mean they're not making them - a lot of people will buy them regardless, or get a new one from their carrier. For Apple devices especially, this is inc

by meibo 3y ago

Doesn't mean they're not making them - a lot of people will buy them regardless, or get a new one from their carrier. For Apple devices especially, this is incentivized by the culture around them - a lot of folks just want the newest.

blitzar 3y ago
If my 3 year old iphone falls off a cliff I shouldnt have to buy a "new" 3 year old iPhone because someone decided that people should only buy 1 every 4 years - that would be a collosal waste. Update the technology on a regular basis as everyone is on a different purchasing cycle.
- badcppdev 3y ago
  That is such an interesting perspective. You're saying that buying this years model is an important part of buying 'new' for you. I get it but I've never seen it written down before. I guess cars are the same. If you walked into a dealership and all the models had been released 2 years previous you might feel like you shouldn't be paying full price even though you are getting a brand new car.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > saying that buying this years model is an important part of buying 'new' for you Arbitrarily lengthening release cycles like this is performative. Particularly in high tech. Doubly so in a category that’s reducing its energy and material footprint. Consider if we did this for cars. New model once a decade. This would be horrible for fuel economies. To say nothing about safety and EVs.
    - garte 3y ago
      Some might say yearly release cycles may be a bad incentive to hold back innovations because you have to bring something new every year... So you do _not_ get the latest and greatest, but a carefully planned "older" product with newer stuff in the pipeline for the next 5 years.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > Some might say yearly release cycles may be a bad incentive to hold back innovations Based on what evidence?
- meibo 3y ago
  Seems like you just don't want to give up the convenience of being able to buy the most top-notch hardware at any point in time. No one ever said that being sustainable wouldn't be without sacrifices :)
Gud 3y ago
So what if people get the latest. It’s not like the previous device will just magically disappear. It will get resold and reused.

by meibo 3y ago

blitzar 3y ago

If my 3 year old iphone falls off a cliff I shouldnt have to buy a "new" 3 year old iPhone because someone decided that people should only buy 1 every 4 years - that would be a collosal waste. Update the technology on a regular basis as everyone is on a different purchasing cycle.

badcppdev 3y ago
That is such an interesting perspective. You're saying that buying this years model is an important part of buying 'new' for you. I get it but I've never seen it written down before. I guess cars are the same. If you walked into a dealership and all the models had been released 2 years previous you might feel like you shouldn't be paying full price even though you are getting a brand new car.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > saying that buying this years model is an important part of buying 'new' for you Arbitrarily lengthening release cycles like this is performative. Particularly in high tech. Doubly so in a category that’s reducing its energy and material footprint. Consider if we did this for cars. New model once a decade. This would be horrible for fuel economies. To say nothing about safety and EVs.
  - garte 3y ago
    Some might say yearly release cycles may be a bad incentive to hold back innovations because you have to bring something new every year... So you do _not_ get the latest and greatest, but a carefully planned "older" product with newer stuff in the pipeline for the next 5 years.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Some might say yearly release cycles may be a bad incentive to hold back innovations Based on what evidence?
meibo 3y ago
Seems like you just don't want to give up the convenience of being able to buy the most top-notch hardware at any point in time. No one ever said that being sustainable wouldn't be without sacrifices :)

Gud 3y ago

So what if people get the latest. It’s not like the previous device will just magically disappear. It will get resold and reused.