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Ukraine proved drones outplay any defense and at far cheaper cost. You can train pilots, soldiers, tank drivers for years and they are going to die like cannon
by countWSS 3y ago
Ukraine proved drones outplay any defense and at far cheaper cost.
You can train pilots, soldiers, tank drivers for years and
they are going to die like cannon fodder(or drone fodder)
because drones are much cheaper and faster to produce.
These are just manually operated, cardboard junk drones.
AI drones will probably make modern armies non-viable
in principle: its like defending against flying I.E.Ds.
- boredtofears 3y agoOh... is the war over?
- serf 3y agoit doesn't have to be over, it's obvious to the spectating public that low-cost drones are going to be a major tool of war from this point forward.
- woodpanel 3y agoYou do realize that both sides make heavy usage of FPV drones?
- euroderf 3y agoArmies will be like flash mobs. Remain dispersed and conceal intent until absolutely necessary.
- hoseja 3y agoEffective countermeasures will soon be created. As you say, these are cardboard junk, it's not very hard to destroy them in great numbers cheaply once it's figured out.
- rich_sasha 3y agoIs that right? Russians keep sending the Iranian Shahed drones but Ukraine seems to shoot them down quite easily. They struggle more with the more advanced weaponry. There's of course cost/benefit, the drone may well be cheaper than the fancy rocket that shot it down. But then there's a deluge of new anti drone weaponry so it's hard to know what that balance will look like in even 5 years time.
- Gud 3y agoThere is a major difference between the small anti personnel kamikaze drones Ukraine are sending into the Russian trenches and the 500kg Shahed drones Russia are using to terrorize Ukrainian civilians though. In Drone warfare, smaller definitely wins. I suspect we'll start seeing anti-drone drones soon enough.
- g19fanatic 3y agoAlready here... https://www.anduril.com/hardware/anvil https://www.anduril.com/hardware/anvil
- red-iron-pine 3y agoShahed drones are big, slow, and have a notable radar signature. A lot of smaller drones are mostly cardboard and are hard to spot, both in terms of radar as well as Mk1 eyeball. Smaller drones are a perfect use case for older systems like the Zhilka -- no need for a rocket. EW and HARMs are also a big discussion topic there.
- tomjen3 3y agoYou are overestimating the value of drones. They will not outplay any defense, as can be with the Russian drones getting shot down by Gepards. They will also have a hard time against directed energy weapons. However they are indeed a huge asset on the battle field, and they do mean that we need to rethink everything about how war is conducted. Disclaimer: I am 100% on the side of Ukraine and will remain so no matter what happens with the war, upto and including a complete genocide of Russia.
- kakwa_ 3y agoIt's more the case drones have not meet their counter yet. It's kind of logical to see expensive AA systems designed to shoot down expensive planes struggling to answer swarm of cheap drones cost effectively. But the good performance of very old systems like Gepard indicates solutions exist. For example, systems with a decent and modern radar plus a few short range low caliber and cheap AA guns will probably get designed and fielded in the near future. And new weapon systems is not the only answer. Jamming also has proven to be effective. And even simple doctrine changes can be effective. Drones are enjoying an happy time, but it will end and to a degree already has (tb2 is far less prevalent for example).