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I mean you’ve taken my point, cut it in half to remove the relevant context and are now arguing against a point you’ve made up as some kind of gotcha… I don’t k

by mdhb 3y ago

I mean you’ve taken my point, cut it in half to remove the relevant context and are now arguing against a point you’ve made up as some kind of gotcha… I don’t know what you want me to say to that. Same with your second point. I made a big point to explicitly say I think that right now Dart is very underused and has a huge potential outside of Flutter. Quoting that back to me as though it was something I hadn’t considered is equally as confusing.

ihateolives 3y ago
I'm with you, I think that Dart is very sensible and very underappreciated language. But he does have a point in saying that currently Dart is tied to Flutter. Google is presenting Dart as a language that you write Flutter with, not as a separate entity. I'd much prefer if Google would present Flutter as a GUI framework for Dart, but alas. Perception is everything. As much as I'd love to start my next project in Dart I probably won't because I can't be sure that Dart won't end up in Google's graveyard in next couple of years whereas I'm pretty sure that Go won't.
- palata 3y ago
  I support that. I tried Flutter a few years ago, and I liked Dart and the Flutter way of defining the UI (compared to the old xml stuff in Android). Then I moved to Kotlin + Jetpack Compose, and I don't see the point of Dart anymore.
tsss 3y ago
You say Dart is underused, but why build something new with Dart when you could do the same thing with a better language? The only reason to use it is Flutter.
- simon_void 3y ago
  Familiarity comes to mind. Dart has developed into a nice direction with sound null-safety, extension functions, sealed classes and compilation to native&wasm. (The libaries weren't very mature when I used Dart, not sure if that changed.) I'd pick Kotlin because I'm familiar with it, but if mdhb is familar with Dart, maybe from his work with flutter, maybe from a time where you'd mostly use Dart to compile it to js, then go for it. Dart is a nice enough language to earn my thumbs up. (not that that would be important to anyone.)

by mdhb 3y ago

ihateolives 3y ago

I'm with you, I think that Dart is very sensible and very underappreciated language. But he does have a point in saying that currently Dart is tied to Flutter. Google is presenting Dart as a language that you write Flutter with, not as a separate entity. I'd much prefer if Google would present Flutter as a GUI framework for Dart, but alas. Perception is everything. As much as I'd love to start my next project in Dart I probably won't because I can't be sure that Dart won't end up in Google's graveyard in next couple of years whereas I'm pretty sure that Go won't.

palata 3y ago
I support that. I tried Flutter a few years ago, and I liked Dart and the Flutter way of defining the UI (compared to the old xml stuff in Android). Then I moved to Kotlin + Jetpack Compose, and I don't see the point of Dart anymore.

tsss 3y ago

You say Dart is underused, but why build something new with Dart when you could do the same thing with a better language? The only reason to use it is Flutter.

simon_void 3y ago
Familiarity comes to mind. Dart has developed into a nice direction with sound null-safety, extension functions, sealed classes and compilation to native&wasm. (The libaries weren't very mature when I used Dart, not sure if that changed.) I'd pick Kotlin because I'm familiar with it, but if mdhb is familar with Dart, maybe from his work with flutter, maybe from a time where you'd mostly use Dart to compile it to js, then go for it. Dart is a nice enough language to earn my thumbs up. (not that that would be important to anyone.)