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This feels like an ivory tower take. I worked at a job reentry program. The difference in outcomes between those working hard and those not looked pretty stark

This feels like an ivory tower take. I worked at a job reentry program. The difference in outcomes between those working hard and those not looked pretty stark to me. Ignore the billionaires. Focus on what you can control.

jrflowers 3y ago
> Ignore the billionaires. Focus on what you can control. This is a good point. If you think about it everyone is successful for a given low enough threshold for success.
qazxcvbnmlp 3y ago
What parts of the hard work did you see as most effective in improving outcomes?
- fuzzfactor 3y ago
  >What parts of the hard work did you see as most effective in improving outcomes? I'll answer for me it's a situation where more effort translates to more progress. Whether it's progress toward success or away from failure, and whether the success or failure are financial or not. So I like to work to build a situation like that so that further effort pays off the most.
AlotOfReading 3y ago
One of the most financially rewarding career moves I've ever made was to give up the manual labor jobs I had as an field archaeologist and start focusing on "easier" tech jobs. Hard work is at best mildly correlated with financial rewards, though a 5 minute conversation with most workers would quickly disabuse you of even that notion.
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- nextweek2 3y ago
  I had a similar thought process in my teens, my dad was a building surveyor which was a very middle class job back in the day. But it dawned on me that there's only so many building you can walk in and look at in a day, limiting your upside potential. It seems that you are paid for how many lives you affect (and to a lesser degree - by how much you affect them), rather than how much work you do.
  - kikimora 3y ago
    > It seems that you are paid for how many lives you affect (and to a lesser degree - by how much you affect them), rather than how much work you do. This is brilliant observation!
tbrownaw 3y ago
Taking a particular job seriously is better than not taking it seriously. Getting a different, better, job can make a bigger difference. If you can both find one and qualify for it.

jrflowers 3y ago

> Ignore the billionaires. Focus on what you can control. This is a good point. If you think about it everyone is successful for a given low enough threshold for success.

qazxcvbnmlp 3y ago

What parts of the hard work did you see as most effective in improving outcomes?

fuzzfactor 3y ago
>What parts of the hard work did you see as most effective in improving outcomes? I'll answer for me it's a situation where more effort translates to more progress. Whether it's progress toward success or away from failure, and whether the success or failure are financial or not. So I like to work to build a situation like that so that further effort pays off the most.

AlotOfReading 3y ago

One of the most financially rewarding career moves I've ever made was to give up the manual labor jobs I had as an field archaeologist and start focusing on "easier" tech jobs. Hard work is at best mildly correlated with financial rewards, though a 5 minute conversation with most workers would quickly disabuse you of even that notion.

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nextweek2 3y ago
I had a similar thought process in my teens, my dad was a building surveyor which was a very middle class job back in the day. But it dawned on me that there's only so many building you can walk in and look at in a day, limiting your upside potential. It seems that you are paid for how many lives you affect (and to a lesser degree - by how much you affect them), rather than how much work you do.
- kikimora 3y ago
  > It seems that you are paid for how many lives you affect (and to a lesser degree - by how much you affect them), rather than how much work you do. This is brilliant observation!

tbrownaw 3y ago

Taking a particular job seriously is better than not taking it seriously. Getting a different, better, job can make a bigger difference. If you can both find one and qualify for it.