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> I think it is equally ignorant to be universally against gun control measures Someone "universally against gun control measures" here. I'd be interested in

by bm3719 3y ago

> I think it is equally ignorant to be universally against gun control measures Someone "universally against gun control measures" here. I'd be interested in knowing how I'm as ignorant as people who want to regulate things based on scary buzzwords, vaguely describing items that they generally lack any knowledge of. I'd assert it's possible to hold this position, yet also be quite well informed about the history, mechanics, laws, and social consequences surrounding firearms and their accessories. For example, one could simply consider retaining the individual agency that this part of the Bill of Rights has preserved for us as being of higher utility than any of the downsides that additional (or existing) legislation purports to address. My personal view is a bit more nuanced than that (in fact, I agree with most of your post), but wanted to point out that one could start with different base axioms/heuristics, examine the same data, and end up with a different end perspective via perfectly rational (i.e., non-ignorant) reasoning.

mbfg 3y ago
Should private citizens be allowed to own rocket launchers with munitions? This is a hyperbolic argument, but so is "universally against gun controls".
- bm3719 3y ago
  It's already possible to do this, though with numerous, onerous restrictions (that I'd advocate against, obviously). For example, if you wanted to own a functional RPG launcher, that would be an NFA-registered DD, and each explosive projectile would be a separate additional NFA tax stamp. You'd also need an active FEL (Federal Explosives License). There's numerous other conditionals that apply, e.g., you wouldn't need the latter for inert projectiles for your RPG, or if the explosive charge was less than 0.25oz.
  - starttoaster 3y ago
    I don't personally agree that it should be a lower vertical for a citizen to purchase an RPG with real explosive projectiles, but I think I understand your perspective at least. You're either sensitive to a loose interpretation of the words "shall not be infringed," or you believe that those are the kinds of tools citizens would need to overthrow a hostile government (we'd need much more than RPGs but I assume your stance holds strong here all the way up the munitions ladder.) I just personally don't want to be carrying a 10mm pistol on my hip at the grocery store wondering if I'll even get a chance to draw before my skin melts off of my boiling body by an RPG explosion. Once the bad guys have RPGs, it suddenly seems a bit silly to carry anything else. As to your previous message: > I'd be interested in knowing how I'm as ignorant as people who [...] To be fair, ignorance is sometimes subjectively influenced by the ideals of the person judging. I see it as ignorant to completely ignore the topic of gun crime in our government. You see it as an acceptable loss, to be written off. We disagree here.

by bm3719 3y ago

mbfg 3y ago

Should private citizens be allowed to own rocket launchers with munitions? This is a hyperbolic argument, but so is "universally against gun controls".

bm3719 3y ago
It's already possible to do this, though with numerous, onerous restrictions (that I'd advocate against, obviously). For example, if you wanted to own a functional RPG launcher, that would be an NFA-registered DD, and each explosive projectile would be a separate additional NFA tax stamp. You'd also need an active FEL (Federal Explosives License). There's numerous other conditionals that apply, e.g., you wouldn't need the latter for inert projectiles for your RPG, or if the explosive charge was less than 0.25oz.
- starttoaster 3y ago
  I don't personally agree that it should be a lower vertical for a citizen to purchase an RPG with real explosive projectiles, but I think I understand your perspective at least. You're either sensitive to a loose interpretation of the words "shall not be infringed," or you believe that those are the kinds of tools citizens would need to overthrow a hostile government (we'd need much more than RPGs but I assume your stance holds strong here all the way up the munitions ladder.) I just personally don't want to be carrying a 10mm pistol on my hip at the grocery store wondering if I'll even get a chance to draw before my skin melts off of my boiling body by an RPG explosion. Once the bad guys have RPGs, it suddenly seems a bit silly to carry anything else. As to your previous message: > I'd be interested in knowing how I'm as ignorant as people who [...] To be fair, ignorance is sometimes subjectively influenced by the ideals of the person judging. I see it as ignorant to completely ignore the topic of gun crime in our government. You see it as an acceptable loss, to be written off. We disagree here.