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The US is kind of an outlier in gun ownership. What should we take away from this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rat

The US is kind of an outlier in gun ownership. What should we take away from this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r... Estimated number of civilian firearms per 100 people and gun deaths per 100000: - El Salvador: 5.8, 78.52 - Brazil: 8.6, 23.93 - Colombia: 10.10, 20.38 - U.S.: 120.5, 12.21 - Mexico: 15, 11.55 If anything it seems like proximity to cartels is the most likely predictor of gun homicide rates Meanwhile Switzerland has 27.6 guns per 100 civilians and 2.64 gun homicides per 100,000. So not sure what to conclude about gun ownership and homicides. Note that gun deaths not equal to gun homicides since deaths includes suicide and the CDC reports these items combined. If you wanted to discuss gun suicides that's fine but note this was about homicide.

dctoedt 3y ago
> Meanwhile Switzerland has 27.6 guns per 100 civilians and 2.64 gun homicides per 100,000. So not sure what to conclude about gun ownership and homicides. Another data point: Switzerland has strict gun laws that mostly ban the kind of military-grade firearms we see used in mass murders in the U.S. (and yes, some Latin American countries), and smaller guns require permits. [0] More: "Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings ... Unlike the US, Switzerland has mandatory military service for men. The government gives all men between the ages of 18 and 34 deemed 'fit for service' a pistol or a rifle and training on how to use them. After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons, but they have to get a permit for them." [1] [0] https://www.ch.ch/en/safety-and-justice/owning-a-weapon-in-switzerland/ https://www.ch.ch/en/safety-and-justice/owning-a-weapon-in-s... (scan down for a useful chart) [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-o...
- xyzzyz 3y ago
  > Switzerland has strict gun laws that mostly ban the kind of military-grade firearms we see used in mass murders in the U.S. This is completely, verifiably false. It even contradicts the rest of your comment, where you quote: > After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons The “service weapon” here means literally the one that they used in military, which, as I presume, is “military grade”.
  - dctoedt 3y ago
    You must have overlooked the word "mostly" in my comment. The first link in my post is to an official Swiss government site. If you want to quibble about what constitutes a "military-grade" firearm, that's certainly your privilege.
    - xyzzyz 3y ago
      Yes, you can follow that link and find that you are completely wrong. Please name one weapon that is “military grade”, commonly available in US, but banned in Switzerland. You can’t, because you’re wrong.
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      - dctoedt 3y ago
        From the Swiss government Web page I linked: Banned weapons include "semi-automatic firearms with a large magazine" — as just one example, recall that the Las Vegas shooter used "a large quantity of ammunition in special high-capacity magazines holding up to 100 cartridges each." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock#Las_Vegas_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock#Las_Vegas_shoo...
        xyzzyz 3y ago
        No, because this doesn’t ban anything that’s in common use in US. The 30 rounds magazines in common use in US do not count as “large magazines” for the purposes of that Swiss law, because these are normal capacity magazines. As I said, you are completely wrong about this.
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        dctoedt 3y ago
        That's it, keep moving the goalposts .... BTW, did you also overlook the part about Switzerland requiring military training and service for (essentially) all able-bodied men in a certain age range? Whereas in the U.S., pretty much any untrained bozo who never served can buy high-powered weaponry and strut around cosplaying in camo and body armor, ostentatiously toting the weaponry and shouting belligerent slogans. (It's been my untutored conjecture that most such folks are trying to compensate for deep-seated fears that they don't really measure up in the masculinity department, although there also seems to be a certain percentage of sociopaths in the mix as well.)
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dctoedt 3y ago

> Meanwhile Switzerland has 27.6 guns per 100 civilians and 2.64 gun homicides per 100,000. So not sure what to conclude about gun ownership and homicides. Another data point: Switzerland has strict gun laws that mostly ban the kind of military-grade firearms we see used in mass murders in the U.S. (and yes, some Latin American countries), and smaller guns require permits. [0] More: "Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings ... Unlike the US, Switzerland has mandatory military service for men. The government gives all men between the ages of 18 and 34 deemed 'fit for service' a pistol or a rifle and training on how to use them. After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons, but they have to get a permit for them." [1] [0] https://www.ch.ch/en/safety-and-justice/owning-a-weapon-in-switzerland/ https://www.ch.ch/en/safety-and-justice/owning-a-weapon-in-s... (scan down for a useful chart) [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-o...

xyzzyz 3y ago
> Switzerland has strict gun laws that mostly ban the kind of military-grade firearms we see used in mass murders in the U.S. This is completely, verifiably false. It even contradicts the rest of your comment, where you quote: > After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons The “service weapon” here means literally the one that they used in military, which, as I presume, is “military grade”.
- dctoedt 3y ago
  You must have overlooked the word "mostly" in my comment. The first link in my post is to an official Swiss government site. If you want to quibble about what constitutes a "military-grade" firearm, that's certainly your privilege.
  - xyzzyz 3y ago
    Yes, you can follow that link and find that you are completely wrong. Please name one weapon that is “military grade”, commonly available in US, but banned in Switzerland. You can’t, because you’re wrong.
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    - dctoedt 3y ago
      From the Swiss government Web page I linked: Banned weapons include "semi-automatic firearms with a large magazine" — as just one example, recall that the Las Vegas shooter used "a large quantity of ammunition in special high-capacity magazines holding up to 100 cartridges each." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock#Las_Vegas_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock#Las_Vegas_shoo...
      - xyzzyz 3y ago
        No, because this doesn’t ban anything that’s in common use in US. The 30 rounds magazines in common use in US do not count as “large magazines” for the purposes of that Swiss law, because these are normal capacity magazines. As I said, you are completely wrong about this.
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        dctoedt 3y ago
        That's it, keep moving the goalposts .... BTW, did you also overlook the part about Switzerland requiring military training and service for (essentially) all able-bodied men in a certain age range? Whereas in the U.S., pretty much any untrained bozo who never served can buy high-powered weaponry and strut around cosplaying in camo and body armor, ostentatiously toting the weaponry and shouting belligerent slogans. (It's been my untutored conjecture that most such folks are trying to compensate for deep-seated fears that they don't really measure up in the masculinity department, although there also seems to be a certain percentage of sociopaths in the mix as well.)
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