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The northeast, northwest and south west seem to be doing something very right.

by mortureb 3y ago

ghayes 3y ago
The graph is, in a large way, an inversion of population density.
- mortureb 3y ago
  That’s one correlation but it seems like that conjecture doesn’t extend to Florida or Texas.
  - ianai 3y ago
    It’s a correlation but the correlation probably wouldn’t be so high. The north east is plenty dense compared to the south east (iirc). I think this really shows a cultural difference amid population and probably other things. I’ve outside of this heard the South has in someways never really bounced back from the end of slavery. Could be a kind of cultural scar or lack of “infrastructure”. Like how Lincoln’s reconstruction plans never happened and his successor went a quite different direction.
    - pixl97 3y ago
      > Could be a kind of cultural scar At least anecdotally it feels that way. I moved from one of the states that was totally clear in this map, to eastern Texas when I was younger and the social scars from the civil war still exist and by the way some people talk even to this day, you'ld think the war had ended last year. It was complete insanity to me.
    - mortureb 3y ago
      If we’re jumping to conclusions a much simpler explanation would be that Republican led states enact policies that lead to poor health outcomes.
  - parineum 3y ago
    You might want to take another look at that map and then look at where the big cities in florida and texas are located. The smoking blob pretty much stops at the major cities in Texas and the population centers of Florida are white as California.
    - mortureb 3y ago
      The population centers are also democratic hotbeds so it’s most likely a matter of policy.
- tzs 3y ago
  For firearm suicides it sort of is, but not really so much for the rest. I'm looking at the density map here [1]. [1] https://vividmaps.com/us-population-density/ https://vividmaps.com/us-population-density/
uoaei 3y ago
Background checks for firearm sales are doing a lot. https://www.thetrace.org/2023/06/background-check-buy-a-gun-america-map/ https://www.thetrace.org/2023/06/background-check-buy-a-gun-... Though as the sister comment mentions, low-density settings also seem to correlate, at least for the counties outside of the South. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fjotr8catz0111.png https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fj... It would be nice to see multiple maps, split up by category, with an additional one for gun-related deaths (combined suicide and assault).
ta8645 3y ago
It's a political paper that helps reduce trust in science. The way that the non targeted areas were pure white, was clearly designed to accentuate an arbitrary point -- there is no purely scientific definition for "hotspot". A non-political paper would have shown a proper gradient, for all regions.

The northeast, northwest and south west seem to be doing something very right.

ghayes 3y ago

The graph is, in a large way, an inversion of population density.

mortureb 3y ago
That’s one correlation but it seems like that conjecture doesn’t extend to Florida or Texas.
- ianai 3y ago
  It’s a correlation but the correlation probably wouldn’t be so high. The north east is plenty dense compared to the south east (iirc). I think this really shows a cultural difference amid population and probably other things. I’ve outside of this heard the South has in someways never really bounced back from the end of slavery. Could be a kind of cultural scar or lack of “infrastructure”. Like how Lincoln’s reconstruction plans never happened and his successor went a quite different direction.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    > Could be a kind of cultural scar At least anecdotally it feels that way. I moved from one of the states that was totally clear in this map, to eastern Texas when I was younger and the social scars from the civil war still exist and by the way some people talk even to this day, you'ld think the war had ended last year. It was complete insanity to me.
  - mortureb 3y ago
    If we’re jumping to conclusions a much simpler explanation would be that Republican led states enact policies that lead to poor health outcomes.
- parineum 3y ago
  You might want to take another look at that map and then look at where the big cities in florida and texas are located. The smoking blob pretty much stops at the major cities in Texas and the population centers of Florida are white as California.
  - mortureb 3y ago
    The population centers are also democratic hotbeds so it’s most likely a matter of policy.
tzs 3y ago
For firearm suicides it sort of is, but not really so much for the rest. I'm looking at the density map here [1]. [1] https://vividmaps.com/us-population-density/ https://vividmaps.com/us-population-density/

uoaei 3y ago

Background checks for firearm sales are doing a lot. https://www.thetrace.org/2023/06/background-check-buy-a-gun-america-map/ https://www.thetrace.org/2023/06/background-check-buy-a-gun-... Though as the sister comment mentions, low-density settings also seem to correlate, at least for the counties outside of the South. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fjotr8catz0111.png https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fj... It would be nice to see multiple maps, split up by category, with an additional one for gun-related deaths (combined suicide and assault).

ta8645 3y ago

It's a political paper that helps reduce trust in science. The way that the non targeted areas were pure white, was clearly designed to accentuate an arbitrary point -- there is no purely scientific definition for "hotspot". A non-political paper would have shown a proper gradient, for all regions.