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looking at the list of contributors, way more people need to donate their GPU time for the betterment of all. maybe we finally have a good use for decentralized

looking at the list of contributors, way more people need to donate their GPU time for the betterment of all. maybe we finally have a good use for decentralized computing that doesn't calculate meaningless hashes for crypto, but helps the humanity by keeping these open source LLMs alive.

Obscurity4340 3y ago
This way too nobody can copyright-cancel the LLM like OpenAI or whatever
- alextheparrot 3y ago
  Exactly, litigation has never been applied to content delivered over BitTorrent-style networks
  - Tostino 3y ago
    Litigation is one thing, totally erasing it from the public internet if it were hosted centrally is something else.
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    Aha, touché salesman :)
judge2020 3y ago
It can cost a lot to run a GPU, especially at full load. The 4090 stock pulls 500 watts of power under full load[0], which is 12 kWh/day or just under 4380 kWh a year, or over $450 in a year assuming $0.10-$0.11/kWh for average residential rates. The only variable is whether or not training requires the same power draw as hitting it with furmark. 0: https://youtu.be/j9vC9NBL8zo?t=983 https://youtu.be/j9vC9NBL8zo?t=983
- pavelstoev 3y ago
  Imagine someone paid you 25c/hour for 4090 compute sharing.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - judge2020 3y ago
    That's pretty much what Nicehash does, but after you pay for that electricity it isn't super profitable - especially if you use it for 1/3 or more of the day for your own purposes (gaming/etc).
- namtab00 3y ago
  > $0.10-$0.11/kWh for average residential rates you Americans don't know how good you have it...
  - throwaway20222 3y ago
    That’s a cheap rate for sure. Southern California is $.36/.59/.74 peak. Super expensive.
    - teaearlgraycold 3y ago
      Southern California? Time to buy some solar panels!
    - judge2020 3y ago
      Only Cali and the most northeastern states seem to have these high rates. Every other continental state is under $0.14 https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/ https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/
tossl568 3y ago
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- cheema33 3y ago
  > Those "meaningless hashes" help secure hundreds of billions in savings of Bitcoin for hundreds of millions of people. Can you back that up with actual data? Other than something that a crypto bro on the Internet told you?
  - december456 3y ago
    Thats not the best counterargument, because Bitcoin has privacy qualities by default. You can hop on to any block explorer and accept every address as another user, but you cant verify that (without expensive analysis, on a case-by-case basis) those are not owned by the same guy. Same with Tor, while some data like bridge usage is being collected somehow (i havent looked into it) you cant reliably prove that thousands/millions are using it to protect their privacy and resist censorship.
    - Gigachad 3y ago
      It's pretty obvious that the majority of transaction volume and value is rubbish. Bots buying, selling, and trading to each other with millions of addresses. The actual real user count for crypto would be a very tiny % of the active addresses. And the real value not even close to the claimed market caps.
      - andirk 3y ago
        It costs real world dollars to transact so it's not nothing. This argument can be made for stonks as well, right?
      - december456 3y ago
        How can you verify that? Other than, you know, "something that a anti-crypto bro on the Internet told you?" I'm being slightly salty here but i dont get the backlash on crypto. It has a huge potential for safeguarding privacy (Monero) and avoiding corporate walled gardens and banks.
corndoge 3y ago
I immediately wanted to contribute and it's quite difficult to find the link on the homepage! The "contribute" button should not be a tiny text link that says "help hosting" in the footnote, it should be a big button next to the colab button. Edit: Oh hey, they did it.
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latchkey 3y ago
For the most part, gpus are no longer used for hashing. Once ETH switched to PoS, it decimated the entire GPU mining market.

Obscurity4340 3y ago

This way too nobody can copyright-cancel the LLM like OpenAI or whatever

alextheparrot 3y ago
Exactly, litigation has never been applied to content delivered over BitTorrent-style networks
- Tostino 3y ago
  Litigation is one thing, totally erasing it from the public internet if it were hosted centrally is something else.
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  Aha, touché salesman :)

judge2020 3y ago

It can cost a lot to run a GPU, especially at full load. The 4090 stock pulls 500 watts of power under full load[0], which is 12 kWh/day or just under 4380 kWh a year, or over $450 in a year assuming $0.10-$0.11/kWh for average residential rates. The only variable is whether or not training requires the same power draw as hitting it with furmark. 0: https://youtu.be/j9vC9NBL8zo?t=983 https://youtu.be/j9vC9NBL8zo?t=983

pavelstoev 3y ago
Imagine someone paid you 25c/hour for 4090 compute sharing.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- judge2020 3y ago
  That's pretty much what Nicehash does, but after you pay for that electricity it isn't super profitable - especially if you use it for 1/3 or more of the day for your own purposes (gaming/etc).
namtab00 3y ago
> $0.10-$0.11/kWh for average residential rates you Americans don't know how good you have it...
- throwaway20222 3y ago
  That’s a cheap rate for sure. Southern California is $.36/.59/.74 peak. Super expensive.
  - teaearlgraycold 3y ago
    Southern California? Time to buy some solar panels!
  - judge2020 3y ago
    Only Cali and the most northeastern states seem to have these high rates. Every other continental state is under $0.14 https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/ https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/

tossl568 3y ago

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cheema33 3y ago
> Those "meaningless hashes" help secure hundreds of billions in savings of Bitcoin for hundreds of millions of people. Can you back that up with actual data? Other than something that a crypto bro on the Internet told you?
- december456 3y ago
  Thats not the best counterargument, because Bitcoin has privacy qualities by default. You can hop on to any block explorer and accept every address as another user, but you cant verify that (without expensive analysis, on a case-by-case basis) those are not owned by the same guy. Same with Tor, while some data like bridge usage is being collected somehow (i havent looked into it) you cant reliably prove that thousands/millions are using it to protect their privacy and resist censorship.
  - Gigachad 3y ago
    It's pretty obvious that the majority of transaction volume and value is rubbish. Bots buying, selling, and trading to each other with millions of addresses. The actual real user count for crypto would be a very tiny % of the active addresses. And the real value not even close to the claimed market caps.
    - andirk 3y ago
      It costs real world dollars to transact so it's not nothing. This argument can be made for stonks as well, right?
    - december456 3y ago
      How can you verify that? Other than, you know, "something that a anti-crypto bro on the Internet told you?" I'm being slightly salty here but i dont get the backlash on crypto. It has a huge potential for safeguarding privacy (Monero) and avoiding corporate walled gardens and banks.

corndoge 3y ago

I immediately wanted to contribute and it's quite difficult to find the link on the homepage! The "contribute" button should not be a tiny text link that says "help hosting" in the footnote, it should be a big button next to the colab button. Edit: Oh hey, they did it.

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latchkey 3y ago

For the most part, gpus are no longer used for hashing. Once ETH switched to PoS, it decimated the entire GPU mining market.