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Apple has always gone for the premium end of the market, and with vastly increasing wealth inequality, that's where the money is these days. You can see this is

Apple has always gone for the premium end of the market, and with vastly increasing wealth inequality, that's where the money is these days. You can see this is in other luxury industries which make incredible amounts of money considering how small their markets are (in terms of numbers of participants). This focus on high-quality software has also encouraged _better_ software developers to build in Apple's ecosystem. Even today a lot of the best software is only available for Mac or iPhone.

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FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>that's where the money is these days. We were talking about the past. And back in those days when computers were expensive, most people and companies were writing SW for the most popular platform out there, which at the time was watever had the best bang for the buck thjat home users could afford: Coomodore, Sinclair, Amiga, MS-DOS, etc. >Even today a lot of the best software is only available for Mac or iPhone. Again, we are talking about the past. TikTok might be the hottest app today, but back then it was Doom.
thefz 3y ago
> Even today a lot of the best software is only available for Mac or iPhone 1% of the whole games industry is available for Mac and there are amazing pieces of software just there.
PaulHoule 3y ago
I see a lot of poor people with iPhones, Apple Watches, Earpods and such. These are what you'd call an "affordable luxury" and probably a bargain when you consider you might go through 5 $300 Android devices in the time that you get out of a $1000 iPhone and all that time you are struggling with an Android. It's kinda like https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/72745-the-reason-that-the-rich-were-so-rich-vimes-reasoned https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/72745-the-reason-that-the-r... but the psychology is weirder in that rich people know a "luxury" watch costs upwards of $10k so it is quite the trick to convince the hoi polloi that a $500 watch is a luxury device at the same time. I've noticed also that poor folks are also very aware of expensive wireless plans from Verizon but seem to have little awareness of wired internet plans, free Wi-Fi, etc.
- nuancebydefault 3y ago
  Good boots are like PV panels. Poor people don't have the money to buy them. Middle class spends less in the end, since the investment pays off. Rich people on the other hand usually did not get rich by saving money.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >you might go through 5 $300 Android devices in the time that you get out of a $1000 iPhone Maybe take care of your Android as you would an iPhone and it will also last as much as an iPhone, but at 1/3 the cost. Most people (worldwide) are not spending 1k on a phone, even 300 is a lot.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Will you get security updates for a decade for Android phones like the iPhone 5s has had?
    - PaulHoule 3y ago
      ... and will your Android actually charge when you plug it into a charger? I've had roughly five Android devices (tablets and phones) that had the curious problem that I'd plug them into a charger and it was always 50-50% if they would actually charge. This would happen when the devices were new and were starting from zero (often it would take several times to charge the device for the first time) and still happens when the devices are in regular use. All the time I leave one plugged into the charger over night and... nothing. Plug it into the same charger again and maybe it charges. I've noticed the same problem w/ Sony devices both cameras and the PS Vita if they are used with non-Sony chargers.
    - synecdoche 3y ago
      I used the Wileyfox Swift for seven years until LineageOS stopped updates for it. I expect similar longevity from contemporary contenders.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
fulladder 3y ago
I agree with FirmwareBurner's sibling. All personal computers were expensive luxury items at that time. Most of them cost as much or more than a used car, which people would have considered much more useful than a computer. Apple's machines were the most expensive, but it wasn't because they were higher quality (that was not the general perception outside the Apple world). It was because Apple refused to allow clone makers into the market, so they were manufacturing in tiny volumes compared to Dell and Compaq and a million other random names like Packard-Bell (Sear's store brand PC) that probably no one remembers. > Even today a lot of the best software is only available for Mac or iPhone. I really don't see that at this point, and I do use my Mac every day. Most of the software I use is also available on Windows and Linux, and anything that isn't has a clear Windows or Linux equivalent. The only software I use that is absolutely only available on a single platform with no equivalent is actually Windows software. I'm not a gamer, but that's apparently a whole category that is Windows-only. I'm curious what Mac software you use in 2023 that is only available on Mac.
- ryukafalz 3y ago
  > I'm not a gamer, but that's apparently a whole category that is Windows-only. Not anymore, really. Proton has done an amazing job at making the huge library of Windows games out there work on Linux, so at this point it's a pretty good contender. (Hence the popularity of the Steam Deck.)
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Not every gamer is a Steam customer. I have a library of ISO oldies that won't "just work" on Linux without a shit Tonne of googling and fiddling around.
- GeneralMaximus 3y ago
  > I'm curious what Mac software you use in 2023 that is only available on Mac. Ulysses, Bear, Things, Reeder, Mela, Alfred, MindNode, just to name a few. These apps are incredibly well designed, and have no equivalents in the Windows or Linux worlds. I know because I also have a PC and I’ve looked very hard for replacements. Additionally, apps like 1Password, Scrivener, iA Writer, and Arc Browser started their life on the Mac. Some social media networks, like Instagram and VSCO, were iPhone apps before they released on other platforms. Because Apple users are generally not averse to spending money on software, all the really good software reaches the Mac and iPhone a long time before it becomes available on other platforms. iCloud itself is something that no other platform can compete with. I never have to create a separate account for any app in the Apple ecosystem because they just sync using iCloud without me doing any extra work. When I install them on my phone later, my data is already there. The Windows/Android world have no equivalent of this. Apps really are better in the Apple world. I blame Microsoft for underinvesting in native Windows UI toolkits.

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FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>that's where the money is these days. We were talking about the past. And back in those days when computers were expensive, most people and companies were writing SW for the most popular platform out there, which at the time was watever had the best bang for the buck thjat home users could afford: Coomodore, Sinclair, Amiga, MS-DOS, etc. >Even today a lot of the best software is only available for Mac or iPhone. Again, we are talking about the past. TikTok might be the hottest app today, but back then it was Doom.

thefz 3y ago

> Even today a lot of the best software is only available for Mac or iPhone 1% of the whole games industry is available for Mac and there are amazing pieces of software just there.

PaulHoule 3y ago

I see a lot of poor people with iPhones, Apple Watches, Earpods and such. These are what you'd call an "affordable luxury" and probably a bargain when you consider you might go through 5 $300 Android devices in the time that you get out of a $1000 iPhone and all that time you are struggling with an Android. It's kinda like https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/72745-the-reason-that-the-rich-were-so-rich-vimes-reasoned https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/72745-the-reason-that-the-r... but the psychology is weirder in that rich people know a "luxury" watch costs upwards of $10k so it is quite the trick to convince the hoi polloi that a $500 watch is a luxury device at the same time. I've noticed also that poor folks are also very aware of expensive wireless plans from Verizon but seem to have little awareness of wired internet plans, free Wi-Fi, etc.

nuancebydefault 3y ago
Good boots are like PV panels. Poor people don't have the money to buy them. Middle class spends less in the end, since the investment pays off. Rich people on the other hand usually did not get rich by saving money.
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>you might go through 5 $300 Android devices in the time that you get out of a $1000 iPhone Maybe take care of your Android as you would an iPhone and it will also last as much as an iPhone, but at 1/3 the cost. Most people (worldwide) are not spending 1k on a phone, even 300 is a lot.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Will you get security updates for a decade for Android phones like the iPhone 5s has had?
  - PaulHoule 3y ago
    ... and will your Android actually charge when you plug it into a charger? I've had roughly five Android devices (tablets and phones) that had the curious problem that I'd plug them into a charger and it was always 50-50% if they would actually charge. This would happen when the devices were new and were starting from zero (often it would take several times to charge the device for the first time) and still happens when the devices are in regular use. All the time I leave one plugged into the charger over night and... nothing. Plug it into the same charger again and maybe it charges. I've noticed the same problem w/ Sony devices both cameras and the PS Vita if they are used with non-Sony chargers.
  - synecdoche 3y ago
    I used the Wileyfox Swift for seven years until LineageOS stopped updates for it. I expect similar longevity from contemporary contenders.
  - pjmlp 3y ago

fulladder 3y ago

I agree with FirmwareBurner's sibling. All personal computers were expensive luxury items at that time. Most of them cost as much or more than a used car, which people would have considered much more useful than a computer. Apple's machines were the most expensive, but it wasn't because they were higher quality (that was not the general perception outside the Apple world). It was because Apple refused to allow clone makers into the market, so they were manufacturing in tiny volumes compared to Dell and Compaq and a million other random names like Packard-Bell (Sear's store brand PC) that probably no one remembers. > Even today a lot of the best software is only available for Mac or iPhone. I really don't see that at this point, and I do use my Mac every day. Most of the software I use is also available on Windows and Linux, and anything that isn't has a clear Windows or Linux equivalent. The only software I use that is absolutely only available on a single platform with no equivalent is actually Windows software. I'm not a gamer, but that's apparently a whole category that is Windows-only. I'm curious what Mac software you use in 2023 that is only available on Mac.

ryukafalz 3y ago
> I'm not a gamer, but that's apparently a whole category that is Windows-only. Not anymore, really. Proton has done an amazing job at making the huge library of Windows games out there work on Linux, so at this point it's a pretty good contender. (Hence the popularity of the Steam Deck.)
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Not every gamer is a Steam customer. I have a library of ISO oldies that won't "just work" on Linux without a shit Tonne of googling and fiddling around.
GeneralMaximus 3y ago
> I'm curious what Mac software you use in 2023 that is only available on Mac. Ulysses, Bear, Things, Reeder, Mela, Alfred, MindNode, just to name a few. These apps are incredibly well designed, and have no equivalents in the Windows or Linux worlds. I know because I also have a PC and I’ve looked very hard for replacements. Additionally, apps like 1Password, Scrivener, iA Writer, and Arc Browser started their life on the Mac. Some social media networks, like Instagram and VSCO, were iPhone apps before they released on other platforms. Because Apple users are generally not averse to spending money on software, all the really good software reaches the Mac and iPhone a long time before it becomes available on other platforms. iCloud itself is something that no other platform can compete with. I never have to create a separate account for any app in the Apple ecosystem because they just sync using iCloud without me doing any extra work. When I install them on my phone later, my data is already there. The Windows/Android world have no equivalent of this. Apps really are better in the Apple world. I blame Microsoft for underinvesting in native Windows UI toolkits.