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37 Signals is living proof nobody needs a public cloud. And from my own experience, basically what all cloud providers are relying on is ops being lazy. Set u

37 Signals is living proof nobody needs a public cloud. And from my own experience, basically what all cloud providers are relying on is ops being lazy. Set up some decent hardware in a good data center, set up a good platform on top of it, automate the hell out of it and with all current open source software you can run everything by yourself. At least, that's something I am currently actively researching because our cloud bills are going through the proverbial roof and I rather would spend that money on our own stuff, than Jeff's next house.

datadrivenangel 3y ago
To be fair, 37 signals still has terabytes of data in S3 according to DHH... So I don't know if it's fair to say that they're cloudless...
- Agingcoder 3y ago
  Terabytes of data in s3 is not a lot, and can be replicated easily on prem.
Spivak 3y ago
> And from my own experience, basically what all cloud providers are relying on is ops being lazy. This makes no sense to me, I've worked jobs where the app was hosted entirely on perm and jobs where it's hosted in AWS. By far the AWS shops required more work. There's so many more limitations, random footguns, arbitrary rate limits, capacity issues, having to do "cost optimization" because it happens that what is simple and maintainable is expensive. Once you have a setup you like on-prem it will hum along until you decide to break it. S3 is the one of the 7 technical wonders of the world but I would rather run Postgres/Redis/Kafka/RabbitMQ on my own hw than the AWS managed service given the choice.
- mindcrash 3y ago
  The premise of cloud computing is click and click ... and you magically have a fully operational database up and running without ever thinking about the important bits like scaling and storage, because that's all managed away for you (as a example). That's what I mean with that. Funny thing is that you can easily do that on your own hardware using a solution such as KubeDB just as well these days, after you get through the pain of getting Kubernetes on bare metal operational.

datadrivenangel 3y ago

To be fair, 37 signals still has terabytes of data in S3 according to DHH... So I don't know if it's fair to say that they're cloudless...

Agingcoder 3y ago
Terabytes of data in s3 is not a lot, and can be replicated easily on prem.

Spivak 3y ago

> And from my own experience, basically what all cloud providers are relying on is ops being lazy. This makes no sense to me, I've worked jobs where the app was hosted entirely on perm and jobs where it's hosted in AWS. By far the AWS shops required more work. There's so many more limitations, random footguns, arbitrary rate limits, capacity issues, having to do "cost optimization" because it happens that what is simple and maintainable is expensive. Once you have a setup you like on-prem it will hum along until you decide to break it. S3 is the one of the 7 technical wonders of the world but I would rather run Postgres/Redis/Kafka/RabbitMQ on my own hw than the AWS managed service given the choice.

mindcrash 3y ago
The premise of cloud computing is click and click ... and you magically have a fully operational database up and running without ever thinking about the important bits like scaling and storage, because that's all managed away for you (as a example). That's what I mean with that. Funny thing is that you can easily do that on your own hardware using a solution such as KubeDB just as well these days, after you get through the pain of getting Kubernetes on bare metal operational.